** Please note that the following post holds information which is only applicable for Post Graduate Engineering degrees OR for people who want to accredit their degrees from the Australian Engineering Council.
An Important fact
I have seen people asking the suitability of Masters in Engineering Science (MEngSci) or in general, postgraduate engineering degrees for applications to a residency. Here are some common questions...
Can I apply for PR after my engineering postgraduate degree from an Australian University?
Yes you can, but first you will have to get your bachelor's engineering degree approved for a positive skills assessment from Engineering Council of Australia. Once Engineering Council issues a positive skills assessment for your undergraduate engineering degree, you will be able to claim points for Australian education and nominating an occupation on the SOL. As of now most engineering professions like Electrical engineer, telecom engineer fetch 60 points.
** Please note that getting a positive skills assessment and getting your undergrad engineering degree is not the same thing. Engineering Council will give you a positive skills assessment BUT will not accredit your degree if you are from India/Pakistan. But you dont need to worry about that as long as you can get a positive skills assessment and apply for PR. :)
** Please note that getting a positive skills assessment and getting your undergrad engineering degree is not the same thing. Engineering Council will give you a positive skills assessment BUT will not accredit your degree if you are from India/Pakistan. But you dont need to worry about that as long as you can get a positive skills assessment and apply for PR. :)
1. Can I use a postgraduate degree to apply for a residency?
Answer: No, normally for most skilled migration visas that are not employer-sponsored, you cannot use your Australian postgraduate engineering degrees (or any postgrad engineering degree for that matter) to apply for migration, unless ur BE fulfills the requirements for the visa (i.e. either an Australian BE or a BE from a country of the Washington Accord, or some other BE with 3-4 years of experience).
So what Do I do then?
You cannot get your degree accredited but you can still get a positive skills assessment from engineering council of Australia based on your undergraduate engineering degree. If you can get your undergraduate engineering degree approved for a positive skills assessment, then you can claim points for your Australian postgraduate degree while applying for PR.
** Please note we are only talking about post graduate engineering degrees. Not IT or management ones.
What you do is to get a positive skills assessment for your undergraduate engineering degree from Engineering Council of Australia and then apply for your PR.
What you do is to get a positive skills assessment for your undergraduate engineering degree from Engineering Council of Australia and then apply for your PR.
2. Why is that so?
Answer: Because Engineers Australia (IEAust) does not accredit any postgraduate degrees regardless of which university they are from. They always carry out the skills assessment for migration purposes with the BE degree. (Or BTech as it is called in some countries)
3.Any way I can have my postgraduate degree accredited?
Answer: In short, NO. It is a blanket policy that does not change from case to case. And there is no indication this will change in the foreseeable future.
4.Any other points to be aware of?
Sometimes they do issue succesful skills assessments based on PG degrees, but that is only if the BE is seen as insufficient to underpin the occupation. The assessment always focuses on the undergraduate degree.
5.Any evidence to back these claims?
I have contacted Mr Paul Gillespie, associate director for migration skills assessment, IEAust, and the OSQA office of IEAust as well, and the points I posted above are based on their emails.
Source 1: Email correspondence with Mr Paul Gillespie:
Dear Sir
Assessment is primarily centered around the undergraduate (ug) degree.
If you have an Australian accredited engineering undergraduate degree you may apply using the Australian Qualifications Application Form. Otherwise a CDR will be required.
A PhD in engineering would add value to the assessment but the generic competencies originate from the ug degree
Paul Gillespie
Associate Director
Migration Skills Assessment
Engineers Australia
Source 2: Email correspondence with OSQA office:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your enquiry.
Essentially, the primary focus of assessment is on the undergraduate qualification in all cases. However, that is not to say that the postgraduate qualification is not considered ... sometimes a successful assessment in the applicants's nominated occupation / category needs to be based on the COMBINED Bachelors/Masters, if the Bachelors is not assessed as fully underpinning the nomination.
It is of little consequence from which country the qualification has been obtained - all non-accredited qualifications are assessed on a case-by-case basis ... and no postgraduate qualification is accredited from our perspective anyway. Very little significance is paid to the PhD qualification in the assessment of qualifications in support of Migration.
Regards... Gareth JONES
Migration Skills Assessment Team
Education and Assessment
Engineers Australia
Assessment is primarily centered around the undergraduate (ug) degree.
If you have an Australian accredited engineering undergraduate degree you may apply using the Australian Qualifications Application Form. Otherwise a CDR will be required.
A PhD in engineering would add value to the assessment but the generic competencies originate from the ug degree
Paul Gillespie
Associate Director
Migration Skills Assessment
Engineers Australia
Source 2: Email correspondence with OSQA office:
Dear Sir,
Thank you for your enquiry.
Essentially, the primary focus of assessment is on the undergraduate qualification in all cases. However, that is not to say that the postgraduate qualification is not considered ... sometimes a successful assessment in the applicants's nominated occupation / category needs to be based on the COMBINED Bachelors/Masters, if the Bachelors is not assessed as fully underpinning the nomination.
It is of little consequence from which country the qualification has been obtained - all non-accredited qualifications are assessed on a case-by-case basis ... and no postgraduate qualification is accredited from our perspective anyway. Very little significance is paid to the PhD qualification in the assessment of qualifications in support of Migration.
Regards... Gareth JONES
Migration Skills Assessment Team
Education and Assessment
Engineers Australia
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Ahmad Mujtaba StudIEAust.
Junaid
Migration Agent Registration Number: 0964018
58 comments:
Hi.. The entire blog is very illuminating. I wanna ask bout the PG degrees accredited by the ACS like the Master of Information Technology courses. Will these courses count towards obtaining a PR??
Getting your degree accredited by ACS and using that degree for PR is two different things.
A degree on the Skilled Occupation List only gets you 60 points. You still have to get other 60 points to full fill the criteria for permanent residency.
1. If your degree is accredited by ACS, and ACS also places your degree in the 60 points range.
PLUS
2. Your nominated skill is still in the Skilled Occupation List of the Immigration department
Then that will lead you to achieving Permanent Residency.
Please remember that if your nominated degree doesn't get you 60 points, to cover up for the points lost, you will have to achieve extra bonus points from alternative means e.g. scoring 7 in all bands of IELTS, whether academic or general. There are other ways to get extra bonus points but they are not easy to get.
You can check how many points your degree will get you by visiting the ACS website at this link
http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=accreditation&temID=accUniversities
So there are other factors affecting your application for Permanent residency then just your degree. Currently IT degrees get your 60 points. I will cover that in
http://immigrate-to-australia.blogspot.com
Hope this answers your question.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
I was referring to degrees that fall under the assessment umbrella of EngAus.
ACS accredits masters degrees...EngAus does not.
I apologize for not mentioning earlier.
Ahmad has explained the process regarding accrediting under graduate degrees from Engineering council of Australia.
Nikhil, your question was pertaining to Australian Computer Society.
EngAus accredits your Bachelor degree for immigration purposes while ACS accredits your post graduate degree for immigration purposes.
Ahmad's post deals with Eng Aus. Not ACS.
Ahmad,
Can you please explain how can one figure out if his Bachelors is from a country included in the Washington Accord.
Any web links?
The Washington Accord is an agreement between the bodies responsible for accrediting professional engineering degree programs in each of the signatory countries. It recognizes the substantial equivalency of programs accredited by those bodies, and recommends that graduates of accredited programs in any of the signatory countries be recognized by the other countries as having met the academic requirements for entry to the practice of engineering. The Washington Accord was signed in 1989. It is important to note that recognition of accredited programs in any new signatory country is not retroactive but takes effect only from the date of admission of the country to signatory status.
The Washington Accord covers professional engineering undergraduate degrees.
Only qualifications awarded after the signatory nation became part of the Washington Accord are considered.
This means that if, for example, a country signs the accord in 2005, than degrees from there from 2004 and before will not be covered.
As at July 2007, the signatory countries/territories of the Washington Accord are
* Australia
* Canada
* Republic of Ireland
* Hong Kong (since 1995)
* Japan (since 2005)
* New Zealand
* Singapore (since 2006)
* South Africa (since 1999)
* South Korea (Republic of Korea) (since 2007)
* Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) (since 2007)
* United Kingdom
* United States
Well one of my friend just got his Pakistani Bachelor of Computer Engineering degree accredited from EngAus.
If what you are saying is correct, then how did he get his Bachelor degree accredited from Eng Aus?
He completed his bachelor degree from Pakistan in 2004.
It would be wise to edit the post and place this explanation in there As it is creating a lot of confusion.
"Accredited" is not the same as "assessed for migration".
When they say "accredited", it means the degree is approved upfront...What your friend got was a positive skills assessment, not accreditation.
There's a slight difference in them. As such, when they "accredited", it means that any degrees from australia and other countries of the washington accord will be accepted without any requirement for additional work experience, as their specifications have been studied by EngAus and regarded as equivalent to an australian BE.
When a degree is not accredited and you apply for a migration skills assessment, they take into account factors like what university it is from, any prior work experience, content covered etc and then decide what the outcome will be. Your friend's degree got a positive assessment...it did not get accredited.
In the strictest definition of the term (as EngAus would apply), accredited only refers to degrees that are listed in a schedule as fulfilling minimum requirements. Since Pakistan does not form part of the Washington accord, paksitani (or indian for that matter) degrees are taken on a case-to-case basis. Usually getting a positive assessment for a non-accredited degree (like your friend got) involves a bit more work on the part of EngAus and need a bit of work experience from the applicant.
Hope this clears it...i would reiterate though..."Accreditation" is not the same as "Skills Assessment"...
Thanks a lot guys.. Really helped.. This is a GREAT blog for ppl like me.. Pls keep posting..
Thanks a lot guys.. Really helped.. This blog is great for ppl like me.. Keep posting..
more or less all BEs can be recognised (the only difference being that if not covered by the accord, some work experience etc may be needed..)
The main purpose of my post was to bring to awareness that the washington accord ONLY covers BE degrees...MEng degrees wont count.(An exception is the MEng in UK...in the UK a 4-year BE is called an MEng, while what is known as a "Master of Engineering Science" in Australia is called an MSc engineering).
If you apply for a migration skills assessment through EngAus, they will only consider your undergraduate engineering degrees. Ofcourse, exceptions can be there, but that's the general policy.
Ok thanks that makes some sense now.
My friend had to write a CDR to get a positive skills assessment from Eng Aus.
Your post gave the impression that ppl with undergraduate engineering degrees should not come to Australia as their degrees will not help them in getting PR.
I will edit the post to clarify this.
i am Civil engineering pass out student and i want to do M.Tech. from Australia.so u tell me that what is the procedure for M.Tech. program.and what will be % for selection in M.Tech.
********i am Civil engineering pass out student and i want to do M.Tech. from Australia.so u tell me that what is the procedure for M.Tech. program.and what will be % for selection in M.Tech.*********
1. Download the application forms from the university website.
2. Fill them out.
3. Get a score of at least 6 (I am not sure) in IELTS academic version.
Thats it.
Normally all international students get an admission easily.
hi
i m doing BE from mumbai university
in IT is it necessary to get 60% aggregate to take up MBA in australia
@Mihir
It depends from university to university.
Depending upon the university, you may or may not get admission.
Kind Regards
Thanks
actually i m confused between doin MASTERS in IT or MBA so can u tell me which is better for PR as well as if i come back to india and which university is good anywhr in aus
Thanks again
****Thanks
actually i m confused between doin MASTERS in IT or MBA so can u tell me which is better for PR********8
Short answer IT. Long answer: check the SOL or MODL. Is there any profession you can nominate after doing MBA? I dont think so.
****as well as if i come back to india and which university is good anywhr in aus***
Check my post regarding which uni to chose.
Hi. I am totally lost here. Suppose my degree, which is a B.E degree gets a positive "assessment" and not "accredition", will I then be allowed to apply for pr, incase I satify the 120 points criteria?? Kindly let me know.
***Hi. I am totally lost here. Suppose my degree, which is a B.E degree gets a positive "assessment" and not "accredition", will I then be allowed to apply for pr, incase I satify the 120 points criteria?? Kindly let me know.****
If you are able to get a positive skills assessment from engineering council of Australia, for your undergraduate degree, then yes you can claim the points for your profession.
Hi Junaid
Well am an electronics engineer. my back ground in electronics is pretty strong. I have a 3 yr diploma and 4 yr degree in electronics.
There is a change in MODL where electronics engineers are in demand.
But i have chosen MBIMS ie Master of Business In Information Management & systems, Its core modules are IT, which has ERP,SAP,Datawarehousing etc etc which is in demand in todays world, It also has an Internship from LAtrobe UNI its a 2 yr course
The cordinator said that it will get an accrediation from ACS as the talks are on and has assured the students.
This corse do intrest me but my aim is PR and the end of the rest which am clear about.
Plz tell me in your view what can be good for me from PR perspective n how can i manage if i choose the MBIMS in regards to PR?
the course is the one below
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/international/assets/downloads/pg_inf_sys_mgmt2008.pdf
@Nishant
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Hi Junaid
Well am an electronics engineer. my back ground in electronics is pretty strong. I have a 3 yr diploma and 4 yr degree in electronics.
There is a change in MODL where electronics engineers are in demand.
But i have chosen MBIMS ie Master of Business In Information Management & systems, Its core modules are IT, which has ERP,SAP,Datawarehousing etc etc which is in demand in todays world,
It also has an Internship from LAtrobe UNI its a 2 yr course
The cordinator said that it will get an accrediation from ACS as the talks are on and has assured the students.
This corse do intrest me but my aim is PR and the end of the rest which am clear about.
Plz tell me in your view what can be good for me from PR perspective n how can i manage if i choose the MBIMS in regards to PR?
the course is the one below
http://www.latrobe.edu.au/international/assets/downloads/pg_inf_sys_m
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Assuming that you have a bachelors degree in electronics engineering, the best from a PR perspective is
1. To get yourself a positive skills assessment from the engineering council of Australia
AND
2. Get one year of experience as an electronics engineer to satisfy the immigration departments requirement
3. Apply for offshore immigration.
If you plan to get PR based on 2 yr study, I must tell you that it will cost you a lot,plus you are leaving your profession and getting into IT. In Australia you get jobs based on your skill set and job experience, Not based on your degrees.
So if you are interested in moving to IT first get work experience in India else you will find it difficult to move into it as not many ppl would be willing to give an electronics engineer a job in IT.
So if you dont have lots of money to throw down the drain, it would be wise to get PR first based on your work experience in India and then do what ever you want.
Getting PR for engineers is easy as compared to IT professionals as engineering Australia doesnt even require work experience for a positive skills assessment where as Australian computer society requires 4 yrs of work experience for foreign IT professionals before it can give a positive skills assessment.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
So what about an electronics masters degree, would that help as i have already made plans and done all the procedures for july 08 intake.
well not particularly IT programming is what am interested but the project management part wit non programming.
And i already have around 10 months work ex after graduation and 4 months between grad,and believe me everything is computerised be it Electronics or Mechanical you definately need soft skills,
Leave that aside
Are there any chances after completion of masters in information Systems now MBIMS is the systems not technology degree, getting my indian degree assessed and applying for PR after 2 yrs with an MBIMS masters,
I know its kind of offtrack but why am hellbent on MBIMS is because it has a market over the world i mean if you wana learn ERP n SAP even in india it will cost you close to 4 lacs n six months time.
so with alll considerations is it worth taking a chance and would it be poss to get PR finally.
Sorry if i sound a bit wiered but its the way things have shaped up.
Warm Regards
Nishant
@Nishant
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Hi,
So what about an electronics masters degree, would that help as i have already made plans and done all the procedures for july 08 intake.
well not particularly IT programming is what am interested but the project management part wit non programming.
And i already have around 10 months work ex after graduation and 4 months between grad,and believe me everything is computerised be it Electronics or Mechanical you definately need soft skills,
Leave that aside Are there any chances after completion of masters in information Systems now MBIMS is the systems not technology degree, getting my indian degree assessed and applying for PR after 2 yrs with an MBIMS masters,
I know its kind of offtrack but why am hellbent on MBIMS is because it has a market over the world i mean if you wana learn ERP n SAP even in india it will cost you close to 4 lacs n six months time.
so with alll considerations is it worth taking a chance and would it be poss to get PR finally.
Sorry if i sound a bit wiered but its the way things have shaped up.
Warm Regards
Nishant
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Let me explain the problem with what you are trying to do.
1. You want to study in an IT related degree for two yrs in Australia and then apply for PR. Right? Good.
When you apply for PR based on your IT degree, you will run short of 5 points as all international students do normally. Unless you get additional 5 points by scoring 7 in all bands of IELTS or qualifying as a NAATI interpreter of translator, you will be in trouble.
2. Now here is what I suggest to you.
Apply for offshore immigration using your engineering degree and your one yr experience in electronics engineering before you come to Australia as an international student. Your offshore immigration application can be processed while you study in Australia.
3. Last of all you are under a wrong impression that after two yrs of studying in IT you will apply for PR on the basis of your engineering undergraduate degree.
Remember the rule, for international students applying for PR after two yrs of study, the profession chosen on the SOL/MODL must be CLOSELY RELATED to the 2 yrs degree you have done in Australia.
You cannot apply for PR using an engineering profession after you do a 2 yrs degree in IT. After two yrs in studying IT, you can ONLY chose an IT profession on the SOL/MODL which is closely related to IT.
So now you have two options.
1. Study in IT for two yrs in Australia and then apply for PR.
2. Apply for PR on the basis of your engineering degree while in India and come to Australia as an international student while your application is processed.
You can chose what ever option suits you.
In case of option 1 you will have to apply for 885 visa.
In case of option 2 you will have to apply for 175 visa.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi all, great blog first of all.
Congrats on Junaid for getting your PR last month.
Hope my question here is still relevant..
So my condition at the moment is that I am graduating, with a Master of Commerce in Information Systems (2 years course from UNSW) and it is also accredited by ACS.
Looking at the previous posts on differences of skill assessment and accreditation, would it then mean that having the course accredited, would also mean that it would get 60 points for immigration purposes?
I tried to read the ACS guidelines regarding this matter, it did mention about recent graduates fall under ASCO 2231-79 (NEC), which is also on the SOL for 60 points.
Wondering if anyone could confirm the matter and rectify me if I'm wrong.
Appreciate any comments at all.
Regards,
Justin
@Justin
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Hi all, great blog first of all.
Congrats on Junaid for getting your PR last month.
Hope my question here is still relevant..
So my condition at the moment is that I am graduating, with a Master of Commerce in Information Systems (2 years course from UNSW) and it is also accredited by ACS.
Looking at the previous posts on differences of skill assessment and accreditation, would it then mean that having the course accredited, would also mean that it would get 60 points for immigration purposes?
I tried to read the ACS guidelines regarding this matter, it did mention about recent graduates fall under ASCO 2231-79 (NEC), which is also on the SOL for 60 points.
Wondering if anyone could confirm the matter and rectify me if I'm wrong.
Appreciate any comments at all.
Regards,
Justin
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@Justin
All the following courses are accredited by ACS as worth 60 points. Any one attending these courses should get a positive skills assessment from ACS.
7. Master of Commerce (Information Systems and Management)
Kensington Campus 2008 Professional
8 Master of Commerce (Information Systems and Management) OR Master of Commerce (Information Systems) Kensington Campus 2008 Professional
9 Master of Commerce (Information Systems) Kensington Campus 2008 Professional.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@ Junaid
Appreciate the prompt reply.
IMHO, you should start open or team-up with a lawyer and start your own immigration consulting services, since seems that you know a lot on the matters.
Once again thanks heaps! Will post further notes on how I would go with my ACS assessment plus progress on my PR.
Cheers,
Justin
@Justin
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@ Junaid
Appreciate the prompt reply.
IMHO, you should start open or team-up with a lawyer and start your own immigration consulting services, since seems that you know a lot on the matters.
Once again thanks heaps! Will post further notes on how I would go with my ACS assessment plus progress on my PR.
Cheers,
Justin
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I am in the process of getting a license to practice as a migration lawyer after which I will be able to handle cases.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid..I have a BTech(CS).I have got an offer letter from Curtin University for the Course:Master of Information Systems Management(CRICOS: 061093G).But this course is not accredited with ACS.On the Curtin site it's mentioned that a person with a previous IT Degree can apply for membership of ACS.The University and course seems good.But it's really surprising that most of their courses are not ACS recognized.Now,Is this course suitable for permanent residence?
@^^
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Hi Junaid..I have a BTech(CS).I have got an offer letter from Curtin University for the Course:Master of Information Systems Management(CRICOS: 061093G).But this course is not accredited with ACS.On the Curtin site it's mentioned that a person with a previous IT Degree can apply for membership of ACS.The University and course seems good.But it's really surprising that most of their courses are not ACS recognized.Now,Is this course suitable for permanent residence?
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Being a member of ACS is different than studying from a course which is recognised by ACS.
If you have studied in a degree which is not accredited by ACS, then its quite probably that ACS will not give you a positive skills assessment based on the degree which means you will not be able to select an IT profession on the SOL , which means you cant apply for PR.
Check with ACS and ask if you do course x,y,z, would you get a positive skills assessment from ACS for migration purposes based on that degree? If answer is yes then go for it, if NO then make up your mind.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I have done my BE in IT from Mumbai and im working in IT industry for last 3 yrs. I have short listed two courses (MBIMS & MBA/MIT)from Latrobe university. i like the program structure of MBIMS very much. Both are 2 yr course but MBIMS is not accredited while MIT is accredited by the ACS Which course is better from PR perspective.
Pl suggest
@Dhirz
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Hi Junaid,
I have done my BE in IT from Mumbai and im working in IT industry for last 3 yrs. I have short listed two courses (MBIMS & MBA/MIT)from Latrobe university. i like the program structure of MBIMS very much. Both are 2 yr course but MBIMS is not accredited while MIT is accredited by the ACS Which course is better from PR perspective.
Pl suggest
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1. Dont go into a course which is not accredited. ACS will not give you a positive skills assessment for a course it doesnt recognise and you will not be able to apply for PR.
2. From PR perspective, any course of 2 yrs is good which can fetch you 60 points and can get you a positive skill assessment from ACS.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
this is jerome from india. im planning to do my masters in information tech in feb 2009. one of my friend studied in regional uni jus to make sure tat he gets additional 5 points for pr. i was analysing d procedure to get a pr and found tat i wil be able to get it even by not studying in regional uni. i would like to specialize in networking. im planning to do 2-year MS IT in QUT, brisbane cos i like the course structure. i jus want to make sure tat my calculation is correct for getting an pr.
MS IT - 60 points
Age - 30 (am 23 now)
IELTS - 25 (assuming tat i get over 7 in all modules)
Study rule - 5 (studying 2 years in australia)
1) Total is 120 points. Is it fine?
2) I have a 3 year experience in IT now. Will that help me in any way to get a part time job? Something like a teaching assistant, software job, etc.
3) Next thing is that, how is the future for networking in australia? i mean, about the job requirements.
4) i read tat u studied networking too, can u suggest some good universities that u know.
5) last one. since i have 3 years experience now, can i apply for offshore immigration using this? how long wil it take to process and will it be an issue if i study in australia? i read somewhere in ur blog that we can apply this immigration and then come there to study.
thanks in advance.
jerome
@Jerome
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hi junaid,
this is jerome from india. im planning to do my masters in information tech in feb 2009. one of my friend studied in regional uni jus to make sure tat he gets additional 5 points for pr. i was analysing d procedure to get a pr and found tat i wil be able to get it even by not studying in regional uni. i would like to specialize in networking. im planning to do 2-year MS IT in QUT, brisbane cos i like the course structure. i jus want to make sure tat my calculation is correct for getting an pr.
MS IT - 60 points
Age - 30 (am 23 now)
IELTS - 25 (assuming tat i get over 7 in all modules)
Study rule - 5 (studying 2 years in australia)
1) Total is 120 points. Is it fine?
2) I have a 3 year experience in IT now. Will that help me in any way to get a part time job? Something like a teaching assistant, software job, etc.
3) Next thing is that, how is the future for networking in australia? i mean, about the job requirements.
4) i read tat u studied networking too, can u suggest some good universities that u know.
5) last one. since i have 3 years experience now, can i apply for offshore immigration using this? how long wil it take to process and will it be an issue if i study in australia? i read somewhere in ur blog that we can apply this immigration and then come there to study.
thanks in advance.
jerome
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1. Yes if you get band 7 in all modules then you will have 120 points as of now. Rules may change for better or for worse in 2 years so do have a back up solution like getting extra points using experience or by becoming a language interpreter.
2. Yes if you have experience in your field, you will be easily able to get a part time job, provided you know how to appear in interviews and make resumes.
Let me know if you need any help with that.
3. There are lots of jobs in networking these days.
4. UTS.
5. For IT professionals, applying from other countries for offshore immigration, the experience requirement set by ACS is 4 years although the immigration department itself only has 3 years requirement.
So if you can some how get a positive skills assessment from ACS, then you surely can apply for offshore immigration.
Normally processing time varies between 1 yr and 2 yrs.
No it is not any issue to apply for offshore immigration and be on a student visa in Australia.
You can come here and then apply for offshore immigration. But you must do that quickly within one year or your work experience will become invalid for the immigration department.
Yes you can apply and then come to study or you can come to study and mean while also apply for offshore immigration.
Kind Regards
Junaid
HI Junaid........
there is a small confusion/doubt whcih i need to clarify ....HAve doen mY BTECH in biotechnology.......and planning to do my MS in biotech......NOW wwhihc group do i fall in the SOL and MODL list.......eveon though i am a engineer do i still fall into the Life scientist category???
IT is crutial...becasue as of now i am scoring 110 on the point list if i consider my self as a life scientist....
@V
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HI Junaid........
there is a small confusion/doubt whcih i need to clarify ....HAve doen mY BTECH in biotechnology.......and planning to do my MS in biotech......NOW wwhihc group do i fall in the SOL and MODL list.......eveon though i am a engineer do i still fall into the Life scientist category???
IT is crutial...becasue as of now i am scoring 110 on the point list if i consider my self as a life scientist....
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The process of applying for PR involves getting a positive skill assessment from the concerned assessing body.
So once you have chosen the profession you want to chose on the SOL/MODL, you will apply for a positive skill assessment with the relative assessing body listed next to the profession you have chosen on the SOL/MODL.
If the assessing body certifies that you are a Professional in the profession A, the immigration department will accept your application.
So answering your question that which profession you can chose on the SOL and which is the most suitable one for you?
Well the answer is that this depends upon the assessing body which is going to give you a positive skills assessment based on your study/work experience.
Also remember that the profession you chose on the SOL/MODL must be closely related to the degree you have studied.
So choose a profession on the SOL/MODL and then contact the assessing body for that profession and read the guidelines provided by the assessing body and see if you can qualify as a profession in that profession or not.
Please remember that different assessing bodies have different requirements.
Some assessing bodies require work experience while others will simply assess you based on your Australian qualifications.
So every thing depends pretty much on the assessing body.
In my case, IT professional, my assessing body was Australian computer society, ACS.
In my brothers case, engineering, the assessing body was Engineering Australia.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid .......
I am in a big dillemma now.. I have accepted an offer from La Trobe university for the course - Masters of Business Information Management and Systems.... which is not accredited by ACS...
I didnt realise that and my main aim is to get a PR in Australia...
Pls help me and guide me in this.. I want to go ahead with the course as its of my great interest.
But i also wish to get a PR.. So pls tell me whether is there any other solution for this.
Can I get a PR after completing the 2 years.
PLs reply as early as possible... I am dead tensed up ...
@Taher
If you have not paid the tuition fees then you can always withdraw your application and apply for another university.
If you dont want to do that, then, what you can do is to study for one year in the course you are studying. Exit the course after completing it a graduate diploma, enter another graduate diploma which is recognized by ACS.
So after two years of study you will have two post graduate diplomas. Both of them should be CRICOS certified. One of them would be ACS certified.
You can then obtain positive skills assessment on the basis of the one year that is recognised by ACS.
Kind Regards
Junaid
I am not sure what course, you are doing and if the courses are graduate or post graduate and if they are CRICOS certified.
I dont want to leave the course in one year...I am going for masters and i want to complete that.. but is ACS certification really so necessary ?
I mean wont i get a PR on other terms and basis...
What about getting jobs? ACS will affect that also?
My course is called MBIMS and it is CRICOS certified.but not ACS accredited.
after completion of my course , cant i extend my visa for one and half years to work there.
What is the CRICOS number of your course?
The CRICOS Code is 059103F..
I was about to pay the fees and file for visa next week.
Now, If i want to change the course.. i have to apply for that course again right..
So will I be able to go by FEB if I apply for it now ?
@Taher
From the URL below
http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=59103
Your course is of 104 weeks as per CRICOS website.
Now answering your questions
I dont want to leave the course in one year...I am going for masters and i want to complete that.. but is ACS certification really so necessary ?
If you want to apply for permanent residency as an IT professional, you need to first obtain a positive skills assessment from ACS. If you cannot do that, then you are not eligible for Permanent residency
mean wont i get a PR on other terms and basis...
What other terms and basis?
If you want to apply for onshore immigration, visa subclass 885, then you need to have a positive skills assessment.
Obtaining a positive skills assessment is part of all migration visas.
What about getting jobs? ACS will affect that also?
No. ACS has got nothing to do with jobs. You can get a job even if you failed in high school.
My course is called MBIMS and it is CRICOS certified.but not ACS accredited.
after completion of my course , cant i extend my visa for one and half years to work there.
As per the current rules, after completing two yrs of study, you are entitled to a 18 months full time work visa.
However, the issue still remains that you would need to obtain a positive skills assessment from ACS even after that.
Now, ACS can give a positive skills assessment if you have either 4 yrs of work experience in IT or you have studied from an Australian university.
You can actually contact the ACS and ask whether they will give you a positive skills assessment if you are enrolled in a course which is not listed on their website?
Do let me know too.
Now, If i want to change the course.. i have to apply for that course again right..
So will I be able to go by FEB if I apply for it now ?
Well that depends on how quickly you can get the process done.
Plus, there are lots of other similar courses offered by La Trobe and are also accredited by ACS.
Why dont you take those courses and solve the issue for once and for all.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Thanks for your quick reply Junaid...
I have got the concept now... I need a course accredited by ACS to get a PR.
I will apply for Masters of Information Systems.This course is accredited by ACS.
But now the trouble is its December now.I have to apply for visa by at least within two weeks from now. So will i get a reply soon from the university and can I go by the month of FEB ?
Should I try the same university or different university
pls reply bro....
Act..Now i have understood that without ACS accredition its of no use..
So i wil be applying for a different course in the same university which is accredited by ACS.
But now I am scared whether I will get a response from the university quickly. Because its already decemeber.I should be applying for visa now.
If I apply for a dfferent course, I have to wait for the offer letter and can apply for visa only by Jan.
My semester starts by mid feb. So will i be able to make it on time ??
Try the same university or just ask the uni to change your course. It will be quicker that way.
Well I cant really comment on how quickly the university will give the response.
Kind Regards
Junaid
I have spoken to the IDP .. they said they wil change the course... Hopefully in a week's time things should be solved...
I hope I can get the visa after that...I have 2 and half months from now.
I applied for Masters of Information Systems ( MIS ) .its accredited by ACS. pls comment on how is this course and future prospects.
@Taher
I applied for Masters of Information Systems ( MIS ) .its accredited by ACS. pls comment on how is this course and future prospects.
Check this post for a complete answer.
http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/living-expense-working-part-time-in.html
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I have a question about having an Engineering degree and non-engineering experience to apply for the 176 category and planning to relocate to Sydney.
Here's a little backgound about me.
- 32
- Malaysian Citizen
- Lived and worked in USA for the past 12 years, work visa
- BS Mechanical Engineering from University of Kentucky, USA (2001)
- 8 years of experience in Information Architecture (not engineering, more like User Experience and Web Design combined)
- Australian Citizen Aunt will sponsor
My question is:
1. Which one would you think will have a higher chance of success/points?
(a) BS in Mechanical Engineering without experience
OR
(b) 8 years of experience in Information Architecture without the degree
2. Can I apply for PR with BS in Mech Engineering without experience, how may points can I get?
Thanks, loving your blogs.
Jayson
@Jayson
The process of migration requires that you first choose a profession on the SOL and then get a positive skills assessment from the relevant assessing body.
You do not apply for Australian migration on the basis of your degrees. You apply for migration based on your work experience in a field which is in demand in Australia.
Now, both mechanical engineering and IT professions are in demand in Australia.
However, the problem is that if you obtain positive skills assessment from engineers Australia as a mechanical engineer, then the immigration department will not accept your IT work as mechanical engineer.
If you apply for the profession of IT professional on the SOL, the immigration department will accept your work experience and ask you to obtain a positive skills assessment from Australian Computer Society, ACS.
ACS will raise an objection about your degree not being a computer science degree and will refuse to give you positive skills assessment.
Now, I would recommend the following
1. First contact ACS and ask them if they would give you a positive skills assessment for and IT profession on the SOL on the basis of your Bachelor degree PLUS the 8 yrs of work experience?
If the answer is yes, then well and good. If the answer is NO then just do another 1 yr diploma in some IT subjects and use that diploma to obtain a positive skills assessment from ACS.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
It was gr8 goin thro this blog...
very informative i must say..
Iv got thro MBIMS @ LaTrobe uni for Feb '09. Tho the accredition has not yet been done.. Iv been assured that it would be done by this yr end.
I have done ma engg in electronics & comm and post that iv done a PG dip in business admin and worked wid an insurance co in direct marketing for a yr and a half @ a managerial cadre. I would like to get back to Technical due to some personal reasons.. Iv chosen the said course n after readin the related blogs iv realised that il be in a big mess...
wat would b the best way for me to apply for a PR??
Also just as a query, is it poss to change course into somethin totally non related prob a semester hence??
Regards
Varun
@Varun
Well firstly read the post
http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/z-immigration-guide-for-international.html
It explains in detail how you can apply for PR and what course you need to do.
Basically, you have to follow the steps below
1. Study in Australia for two yrs in a course which is closely related to a profession on the SOL.
2. Obtain a positive skills assessment from the respective assessing body.
3. Obtain a minimum score of 6 in IELTS.
4. Score 120 for 885 visa or 100 for 886 visa.
If you can tell me what profession you will choose on the SOL, I will be able to further guide you.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi I am an electronics engineer. I will be completing my engineering in 2009.I want to apply for migration but I don’t have any experience in my related field. My relatives (residing in Australia) are ready to sponsor me. Can I get permanent residency on skilled migration visa without having any experience? I know that there is no requirement of experience for skill assessment but what about requirement of experience for visa.
@Varun
Can I get permanent residency on skilled migration visa without having any experience?
For overseas migration, you need to have at least 1 yr of work experience to be able to apply for migration.
I know that there is no requirement of experience for skill assessment but what about requirement of experience for visa.
Regardless of what the assessing bodies say, the immigration department requires one yr of work experience for all professions.
So you need to have work experience before you can apply for offshore immigration.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid.....
excellent work.i have a engineering degree(b.tech).i would like to join MBA (or other management related courses)
and i need the pr too..
so can u suggest a management related course that would fetch me
60 points.
or are there alternate
ways i can make up for the ten points(heard mba is 50 points)
...scoring a 7 in ielts,work experience (i have 1 yr)
anyways i can do my mba and get pr
too? .....thanx in advance
@Raj
so can u suggest a management related course that would fetch me
60 points.
There are certain management professions on the SOL which are 60 points but you will not be able to nominate those professions just on the basis of your MBA degree as the Australian Institute of Management requires extensive experience before it gives you a positive skills assessment.
It would be better to study an engineering degree which is closely related to a profession on the SOL.
anyways i can do my mba and get pr
too? ..
No. After an MBA you will not be able to nominate a profession on the SOL as the management professions on the SOL require at least 4 to 5 yrs of managerial experience.
If you can have a look at the SOL and let me know what profession you decide to nominate after doing an MBA then I will be able to help you out further. The SOL can be accessed by visiting the following URL
www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf
ways i can make up for the ten points(heard mba is 50 points)
...scoring a 7 in ielts,work experience (i have 1 yr)
You are not very clear about the immigration process. The rules are different when you apply as an international student and different if you apply from overseas.
If you already have one yr of work experience as an engineer then it would be better if you apply for offshore immigration as an engineer in your relevant field.
Kind Regards
Junaid
i am a B.E. Fresher...planning to take MBIMS in LA TROBE...can u plese tell me is it value for money
@Ankur
I do not understand what you mean when you say
"i am a B.E. Fresher...planning to take MBIMS in LA TROBE...can u plese tell me is it value for money "
Please clarify.
Please also read the following post.
http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/plssss-haaalp-which-uni-to-chose.html
Kind Regards
Junaid
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