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Sunday, October 28, 2007

Points for PR

For most General Skilled Migration visas, your application will be assessed against a points test. You can claim points under a range of different factors. The maximum points that can be claimed in any one factor reflects how valuable those characteristics are in the Australian labour market or in assisting settlement.

What is the pass mark?

The pass mark is the total points you need to score to be eligible for a points–tested General Skilled Migration visa.

What happens if you don't meet the pass mark?


If you have applied for a Skilled – Independent (Migrant) visa (subclass 175) or a Skilled – Sponsored (Migrant) visa (subclass 176) and you score below the pass mark, but above the 'pool mark', your application will be held 'in the pool' for up to two (2) years after assessment.

If the pass mark is lowered at any time in that two (2) year period, and your score is equal to or higher than the new pass mark, your application will be processed further.

Rather than waiting in the pool, you could consider the following visa options if you do not meet the pass mark:

  1. If you score 100 points you may be eligible for a Skilled – Sponsored (Migrant) visa (subclass 176) or a Skilled – Regional Sponsored (Provisional) visa (subclass 475) visa.
    See:
    Skilled – Sponsored (Migrant) visa (subclass 176) visa
    Skilled – Regional Sponsored (Provisional) visa (subclass 475) visa
  2. If you meet the pool mark for the Skilled – Independent (Migrant) visa (Subclass 175), you can still lodge and register for the Skill Matching Database. More information on Skill Matching is available.
    See: Skill Matching Database

What are the current pass and pool marks?

The table below lists all the current pass and pool marks for the points–tested visas in the General Skilled Migration category.

Category Pass mark Pool mark
Skilled – Independent (Migrant) visa (subclass 175) 120 100
Skilled – Sponsored (Migrant) visa (subclass 176) 100 80
Skilled – Regional Sponsored (Provisional) visa (subclass 475) 100 100
Skilled – Independent (Residence) visa (subclass 885) 120 120
Skilled – Sponsored (Residence) visa (subclass 886) 100 100
Skilled – Regional Sponsored (Provisional) visa (subclass 487) 100 100

How often do the pass and pool marks change?

Changes to the pass and pool marks occur to address Australian labour market needs.

You should check the current pass mark immediately before making an application. You will be assessed against the pass and pool mark that is in effect on the day you make your application.


Points Break down

You can calculate your points at this link

http://www.workpermit.com/australia/point_calculator.htm

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Please note that the pass marks are subject to change. You should check the latest pass marks when making decisions. I will update my blog regularly to reflect any changes in the pass marks.

Junaid

Migration Agent Registration Number: 0964018

161 comments:

bhaskar said...

Hi. I think your blog is very helpful and very informative. My sister is going to UniSa for her Masters in Information and Communication management. This course is accredited by the ACS. However we are unsure of the points that this course will be granted. I wanted to know how do i find out if this course will get 60 points or 50 points? Or as a rule does all courses recognised by the ACS gets 60 points? Kindly help me.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

For every degree which is assessed by ACS, you can visit the ACS website at www.acs.org.au -- > Individuals -- > Course Accreditation --> Select the university in which you are enrolled --> check if the course you are enrolled is listed and how many points are assigned to it.

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If the course is not listed, it would be better to contact ACS.

Hope this helps your query.

No, Not all courses accredited by ACS are NOT assigned 60 marks.

You have to check what score does your degree carry.

Kenny Wong said...

Thanks for adding this information for us. There are many students like me who need some advise in who to get PR in Australia.

I found another site call Studymove.com but they do not list migration agents. You know about a good one?

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

I myself sought the services of www.parishpatience.com.au for migration services.

anil said...

what r the possibilities of getting a PR after doing bachelor of information systems from RMIT

pls help

Junaid said...

Use the points calculator I have listed on my website.

That will let you know if you can get PR after a bachelors degree from RMIT.

anil said...

hey there
thanks for replying
i have seen the site of ACs and my degree is in professional level so am i eligible for PR
will i get a direct PR
pls tell me the approx time in which i can get a PR i have done bachelor of business information systems from RMIT.

Junaid said...

@Anil

Depending on the category you apply for PR, check whether you have the required points or not. If yes then you will get PR. If not, then you will not get PR.

There is no such thing as direct PR. I am not sure what you are talking about.

The time taken is variable and depends from case to case basis.

bhushan said...

hi i am bhushan i got admission for masters of environmental engg in UTS for july 2008 intake.this course is of 1 year.i planned after this course to do masters of engg management for 1 year.after that can i get PR?how many pr points will i get for environmental engg course?plz help me.thanks.

bhushan said...

hi i am bhushan i got admission for masters of environmental engg in UTS for july 2008 intake.this course is of 1 year.i planned after this course to do masters of engg management for 1 year.after that can i get PR?how many pr points will i get for environmental engg course?plz help me.thanks.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Bushan

What is the profession listed on SOL/MODL which is CLOSELY RELATED to the degree you want to do, that you will nominate after completing your degree?

If the profession you chose is not listed on the SOL/MODL

OR

Your degree is not closely related to the profession your have nominated


than you cannot apply for PR as the basic requirement for PR is that you do a degree which is closely related to a profession listed on the SOL/MODL

Whether your degree is closely related to the profession you plan to nominate, is a question I am unable to answer.

I would recommend you contact a lawyer once you come to Sydney. If you see that the degree is not related to a profession on SOL/MODL, then you can always change your degree.


Let me know if you need to contact a lawyer once you are here.


Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Hey junaid,

Back again with a query mate. Well i was reading this section of your blog, and found it very useful again like the other bit of information available on the blog. So i went to the site to calculate my points assuming that i have finished my 2 years of studies by a (1.5yrs degree and an additional 6months course completing the 2 year rule) but there i noticed that you have to have been working from the past 3 out of 4 years for you to get extra work-ex points, now that wont be applicable to me as i would have been studying for the past 2 yrs. So how does that work? and what if some one has 2yrs plus but less than 3 yrs of work ex fair? i mean does he get points for his workex then? you see i am falling 5 points short of 120, i see no other place where i can score more. One site calculated my score and gave me 125 normally and 140 when asked if i had any relatives ( i have a first cousin) in oz. So does that help? ( they are aussie nationals too). And do they hold any liability if they sign any documents or something?

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

*********Hey junaid, So i went to the site to calculate my points assuming that i have finished my 2 years of studies by a (1.5yrs degree and an additional 6months course completing the 2 year rule.************

Yes make sure the additional 4 subjects you take are closely related to the earlier degree you did and both the degree plus the additional subjects you took are closely related to a profession on the SOL/MODL.



***********8but there i noticed that you have to have been working from the past 3 out of 4 years for you to get extra work-ex points,*********

I am not sure what you are talking about.

But depending upon the type of application you apply for, onshore or Offshore, you would need work experience. For offshore migration, work experience is necessary. For onshore migration, if you are a student who has studied for two years, work experience is not necessary but can get you extra points.

As you are most probably an international student, you only need to have 20 hours per week paid work experience for 12 months of the previous 24 months before applying.

******now that wont be applicable to me as i would have been studying for the past 2 yrs*******

Yes thats right. You either work for 4 years (For IT professionals ) OR 1 year (for engineers)

OR

you study in Australia for two years.

Studying for two years in Australia is the same as working for four years over seas.

*******So how does that work? and what if some one has 2yrs plus but less than 3 yrs of work ex fair?*****

Already answered above.



******i mean does he get points for his workex then?******

If you are applying for onshore migration as an international student, you will only get points for Australian work experience you which you have had for 12 months in the past 24 months.

******you see i am falling 5 points short of 120*********

Yes that is what happens with every one. You have to get extra points by either getting 7 in all bands of IELTS OR other options....

OR

Apply for a graduate skilled visa which you get for 18 months and then get work experience and then again apply for PR. The trick is that you do get a job related to your profession for at least 12 months out of those 18 months.

OR


if your spouse (or de facto spouse) meets all the basic requirements above and is able to nominate an occupation from the SOL and have his/her qualifications assessed as suitable for his/her nominated occupation, then you will be able to claim 5 points on your joint application.


*****i see no other place where i can score more.*****

Then apply for a graduate skilled visa and try to get a job.

*******One site calculated my score and gave me 125 normally and 140 when asked if i had any relatives ( i have a first cousin) in oz.******

To be eligible for sponsorship,You must be related to your sponsor as one of the following:

* a non-dependent child – including an adoptive or step-child
* a parent – including adoptive or step–parent
* a brother or sister – including adoptive or step-siblings
* a niece or nephew – including adoptive or step–niece or nephew
* an aunt or uncle – including adoptive or step–aunt or uncle

So as you can see, cousins are not mentioned in the above list. However, if the mother or father of your cousin is a PR or citizen in Australia, then they can sponsor you and you can get extra points.


****** So does that help? ( they are aussie nationals too). ******

Depends if the mom and dad of that cousin are also residents/citizens. If yes, then it does help. If not then it doesnt help.


*********And do they hold any liability if they sign any documents or something?*****************


No they only guarantee your good character and go to jail if you do some thing really bad.


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Well thanks a ton for the prompt reply junaid! the information really helped! I really love the way you explain each point clearly.

Well i guess i would have to go in for the graduate skilled visa as the prior international work ex would have bee nullified by then. Even though i have an 8 band in all the four sections i think i wont get any extra points besides the usual for my English skills. And i guess the sponsorship also wont work out as i only have cousin brothers there and none of their parents are there. So thats not gonna help much as u said. Well lets hope i get the skilled grad visa and manage to get those points from the work ex.

But Anyways thank you so much for the help, i will keep visiting this blog for further reference and to check out some new informative sections if any.

rgds,
Tahzeeb

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

*******Even though i have an 8 band in all the four sections i think i wont get any extra points besides the usual for my English skills.***********


If you have 8 band in all modules of IELTS, then you get 25 points for that and easily make 120 points.

I am not sure why you are worrying then.


Contact me if you want to go through a MARA registered lawyer who will guide you properly.

send me your email.

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3putt4par said...

Hi Junaid,

Had a couple of quick questions. Based on the calculator I would just make 120 points, breaking it down as follows:

60 points for your nominated occupation
30 points for your age
25 points for English language ability
5 points for Australian qualifications

1) I am calculating 60 points based on the 2 year Australian Masters course I will be studying at Uni Melbourne. I have NO experience in that field. Would that be sufficient to bag all 60 points without actual experience?
2)I took my IELTS earlier and scored 8.6 or there abouts because it was a requirement for the university application process. Would I need to take the IELTS again after my 2 yr course when I would be applying for PR?
3) I am calculating 5 points for Australian qualifications based on the fact that I am studying a 2 yr course at the Uni of Melbourne. Is that fine?

Anonymous said...

Junaid,

I think I qualify for the 120 points. I just had one question. I am studying Masters of Finance for 2 yrs, I was wondering if you know how many points I would get? I was unable to find anything with Finance on the SOL list. Do you have any idea?br

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@3Putt4par

********1) I am calculating 60 points based on the 2 year Australian Masters course I will be studying at Uni Melbourne. I have NO experience in that field. Would that be sufficient to bag all 60 points without actual experience?**********


Depends what course you would be studying. If its a course worth 60 points or not. That you can check from your assessing body.

*********2)I took my IELTS earlier and scored 8.6 or there abouts because it was a requirement for the university application process. Would I need to take the IELTS again after my 2 yr course when I would be applying for PR?*********

If your IELTS has expired on the date of application, then yes, you will have to give IELTS again and score a band 7 in all modules if IELTS to be able to claim 25 points . The exam can be either academic or general.

***********3) I am calculating 5 points for Australian qualifications based on the fact that I am studying a 2 yr course at the Uni of Melbourne. Is that fine?***********


Yes regardless of what course you study, 60 points or 50 point, you will get 5 points for simply for Australian qualification.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@anonymous


***********I think I qualify for the 120 points. I just had one question. I am studying Masters of Finance for 2 yrs, I was wondering if you know how many points I would get? I was unable to find anything with Finance on the SOL list. Do you have any idea?br******************

This means that your degree is NOT CLOSELY related to a profession listed on SOL/MODL.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@anonymous


***********I think I qualify for the 120 points. I just had one question. I am studying Masters of Finance for 2 yrs, I was wondering if you know how many points I would get? I was unable to find anything with Finance on the SOL list. Do you have any idea?br******************

This means that your degree is NOT CLOSELY related to a profession listed on SOL/MODL.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

hi junaid bro,
realy ur blog is helpful but i want to know some specific things, i m doing engineering(electronics and communication) frm india but i m frm bangladesh so i m thinking to do my mba frm australia aftr finishing dis,so my query is tht i hav no wrk exprience and if i take 2yrs mba course,aftr it hw i will aply for pr or u can say wats da procedure.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

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******************hi junaid bro,
realy ur blog is helpful but i want to know some specific things, i m doing engineering(electronics and communication) frm india but i m frm bangladesh so i m thinking to do my mba frm australia aftr finishing dis,so my query is tht i hav no wrk exprience and if i take 2yrs mba course,aftr it hw i will aply for pr or u can say wats da procedure.*******************


I will be only able to answer that once you let me know what occupation on the SOL/MODL you are going to chose for applying for skilled migration.

Please check the SOL and MODL and chose a occupation which is CLOSELY RELATED to the degree you plan to undertake in Australia.

Cheers

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Hi there

I am a government sponsored student, does that make me inelligible to apply for Visa 485?
But I was given two options:
1) To go back to my country to work for 5 years, or;

2) To either pay them back the money if I chose not to go back.

So what do you suggest I do?

Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

*********Hi there

I am a government sponsored student, does that make me inelligible to apply for Visa 485?
But I was given two options:
1) To go back to my country to work for 5 years, or;

2) To either pay them back the money if I chose not to go back.

So what do you suggest I do?

Thanks a lot.

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Send me the conditions as listed on your visa.

Check your visa and it would have conditions such as 8054 etc listed on them.

Once I know what conditions are imposed on you, I will be able to give you a clear answer.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Daniyal said...

Hi Junaid I am planning to do my Masters in Computer Science from Adelaide, Australia and your blog has been quite a help in making some important decisions.

*My occupation is both in SOL and MODL but i am ineligible because I have only 2 years of experience

I have a few questions if you would be kind enough to answer.
1. Even if I do a 2 years degree from Adelaide I get extra 10 points 5 for Region and 5 for 2 years study in Australia, still I will not be able to score 120 points as my points currently are:
Language: 15 pts(IELTS 7.5 in all bands except 6.5 in speaking, what a pity :( )
Occupation: 60 pts
Age: 30 pts
and 10 pts could be achieved with studies and study in Adelaide
However, I would still be short of 5 points ....what would you suggest?? Is it worth making the move still ? I really love to travel and wanted to make this ...

Daniyal said...

Hi Junaid I am planning to do my Masters in Computer Science from Adelaide, Australia and your blog has been quite a help in making some important decisions.

*My occupation is both in SOL and MODL but i am ineligible because I have only 2 years of experience

I have a question if you would be kind enough to answer.
Even if I do a 2 years degree from Adelaide I get extra 10 points 5 for Region and 5 for 2 years study in Australia, still I will not be able to score 120 points as my points currently are:
Language: 15 pts(IELTS 7.5 in all bands except 6.5 in speaking, what a pity :( )
Occupation: 60 pts
Age: 30 pts
and 10 pts could be achieved with studies and study in Adelaide
However, I would still be short of 5 points ....what would you suggest?? Is it worth making the move still ? I really love to travel and wanted to make this ...

Anonymous said...

Hi again

I sent you a message the other day about my being a government sponsored student...and asked if that make me inelligible to apply for a graduate visa 485.
Here are my visa conditions:

8105
8202
8533
8532
8501
8517
8516

Please let me know if any of these conditions make me inelligible and advice me of the best way to apply for the visa 485. As in is the fact that Iam a sponsored student something that I should mention to the immigration and to tell them that I chose to pay my sponsor rather than going back to my country, or is this an issue that doesn't have anything to do with the immigration ( as in its only an issue that i should take up with my sponsor?)
If it's something that i should mention to the immigration, how do you suggest I go about it?

Thanks again for all your help.

Hope to hear from you soon bud.

Many many thanks....:-D

Anonymous said...

Hi its me again...Im not sure if my last comment went through, but the conditions on my visa are: 8105
8202
8533
8532
8501
8517
8516

Please let me know if that makes me inelligible as a sponsored student to apply for a graduate visa 485...:-) And please advice me as how I should go about it. If its something I should mention in my application etc???

Thanks a lot buddy.

Anonymous said...

Oh just one more little thing, its me again (sponsored student)...Let me know also if I will be eligible to apply for PR eventually, I have 110 points at the moment, i just need to go on the visa 485 to get the other 10 points thru work experience.

Thanks a lot buddy.

:-)

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Daniyal

The best would be to get band 7 in all modules of IELTS.

Remember, you can achieve that in either academic or general IELTS test.

But the IELTS is valid only for 2 years. So you will have to give it again in Australia.

Other then that you can get bonus points by

1. Working in your own profession listed on SOL for 900 hours while in Australia.

2. Working for 900 hours in any profession listed on MODL whether related to your profession or not.

You have said that your profession is on MODL. I am aware that certain IT professions are on MODL, however, to claim points for a profession on MODL, you have to have 1 yr of experience in that field.

After you complete your studies, you can apply for a graduate skilled visa, which allows you to stay in Australia for 18 months and work. You can then find a job in IT and apply for PR based on that work experience. But that would happen only if you have a job in IT in those 18 months. You can also include any work experience prior to those 18 months.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Daniyal said...

Thanks for the advice Junaid, it seems the education then related job experience in Australia for a year would be my safest bet to PR....I just wanted to make sure before applying ....Now I am going to start applying for MS in Computer Science from UNisA and University of Adelaide as I have relatives there and I could also claim regional points.
One last question though, are there really jobs out there in Australia for IT professionals?
Not that it does matter as no one could fore see what it would be like in 2 years when i complete my masters but still how is it there at the moment ?

Regards,
Daniyal

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Daniyal

Thanks for the advice Junaid, it seems the education then related job experience in Australia for a year would be my safest bet to PR....I just wanted to make sure before applying ....Now I am going to start applying for MS in Computer Science from UNisA and University of Adelaide as I have relatives there and I could also claim regional points.
One last question though, are there really jobs out there in Australia for IT professionals?
Not that it does matter as no one could fore see what it would be like in 2 years when i complete my masters but still how is it there at the moment ?

Regards,

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Yes plus getting 7 band in all modules will also solve the problem.

You can only claim points for the following relatives.

For an Australian resident/citizen to sponsor a skilled worker, the sponsor must be at least 18 years of age and usually resident in Australia as one of the following:

an Australian citizen
an Australian permanent resident
an Eligible New Zealand citizen.


The main applicant, applicants spouse or applicants interdependent partner must be related to the sponsor as one of the following:

1. A non-dependent child – including an adoptive or step-child

2. A parent – including adoptive or step–parent

3. A brother or sister – including adoptive or step-siblings

4.A niece or nephew – including adoptive or step–niece or nephew

5. An aunt or uncle – including adoptive or step–aunt or uncle


Q.Where can a sponsor be living?

Your sponsor can live anywhere in Australia.

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Daniyal.

For jobs in IT:

Short answer. Yes plenty of them.

For long answer, check my posts related to jobs after graduation and jobs in Australia.

Cheers

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Anonymous

*****************************

I sent you a message the other day about my being a government sponsored student...and asked if that make me inelligible to apply for a graduate visa 485.
Here are my visa conditions:

8105
8202
8533
8532
8501
8517
8516

Please let me know if any of these conditions make me inelligible and advice me of the best way to apply for the visa 485. As in is the fact that Iam a sponsored student something that I should mention to the immigration and to tell them that I chose to pay my sponsor rather than going back to my country, or is this an issue that doesn't have anything to do with the immigration ( as in its only an issue that i should take up with my sponsor?)
If it's something that i should mention to the immigration, how do you suggest I go about it?

Thanks again for all your help.

Hope to hear from you soon bud.

Many many thanks....:-D


***********************

From your visa conditions, I dont see any restrictions.

What is your visa type?

Please let me know what is your visa type/the visa number.

If you have a normal 573 visa then there is no issue.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Anonymous

If your visa class and visa conditions do not imporse any restrictions, then its between you and your sponsor.

The immigration department has got nothing to do with it and cannot impose any restrictions on you to pay back to your sponsor.

If you are an international student in Australia and want to apply for immigration, you will be applying for visa subclass 885.

485 is just a graduate skilled visa for international students.

Mostly those people who are unable to meet the PR points apply for 485 so that they can get a job and then claim points for it.

Cheers.

Junaid

Daniyal said...

Hey Junaid you might remember me ....I asked a question about doing studies in ICT in Australia.
I was doing research regarding Australian prospects on my own but

I met this agent who told me that I need not to do Masters in order to get PR I can probably do without it. He made this evaluation for me:
1. BSc Hons Degree in Computer Science entitles me to 75 points(60 for degree and 15 for MODL)
2. Age 30 points
3. 15 points for IELTS
That makes a total of 120 points.
My concern here is that I only have 2 years of working in total (of development work in c# and java) after graduation.
So, am I eligible to claim these 15 points of MODL as claimed by that agent?

Thanks in advance....

Regards,
Daniyal

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

****************************

Hey Junaid you might remember me ....I asked a question about doing studies in ICT in Australia.
I was doing research regarding Australian prospects on my own but

I met this agent who told me that I need not to do Masters in order to get PR I can probably do without it. He made this evaluation for me:
1. BSc Hons Degree in Computer Science entitles me to 75 points(60 for degree and 15 for MODL)
2. Age 30 points
3. 15 points for IELTS
That makes a total of 120 points.
My concern here is that I only have 2 years of working in total (of development work in c# and java) after graduation.
So, am I eligible to claim these 15 points of MODL as claimed by that agent?

Thanks in advance....

Regards,
Daniyal



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Q. Can you get PR without studying for two years in Australia.

Ans: Yes you can. Check the requirements of offshore immigration.

Q. Can an IT professional with two years of experience gain PR in Australia.

Ans: No. The ACS guidelines for a positive skills assessment require, people from other countries to have 4 years of paid work experience AND a bachelors degree in computer science. Only then you can get a positive skills assessment.

BUT

If you think you can get a positive skills assessment from ACS by having two years of work experience, then go for it. You never know, lady luck might be on your side. So give it a try and try to get a positive skills assessment from ACS.

If you can get that, then getting PR is a piece of cake as the immigration department only needs 1 year of experience. The issue is only ACS. And without ACS, the immigration department wont consider you.

Q. Can I claim bonus points for my profession being on MODL.

Ans: Yes you can claim bonus points ONLY if you have worked in that field for 1 year. If you were a J2EEE developer working for 2 years in the industry and the IT profession on MODL is Oracle professional, then you CANNOT claim points for that. Unless you can fool the ACS people into giving you a positive skills assessment for being an Oracel professional.

So it all boils down to the point whether you can convince the ACS or not.

So in order to gain points for IT profession, you first have to get a positive skills assessment from ACS.

In order to claim bonus points for an IT related profession, you have to convince ACS that you have worked in A,B,C for 1 year etc.

Hope this answers your question.

Last of all your consultant is wrong.

You dont get 60 points for your degree. You get 60 points for being a professional whose profession is listed on the SOL/MODL.

The degree requirement is a pre-requisite.

Without degree you do not fulfill the basic criteria and cannot apply.

You can apply if your points are less BUT you cannot apply if you dont fulfill the basic requirements.

Cheers

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Hello

I have one little question about the Permanent visa 885. I should be getting 110 points when I complete my degree in December (assuming that I will get 7/10 for all the English tests) so I am missing 10 points to go for the visa 885.

But on the DIMA site it says you can get 10 points for Australian Work Experience.

Quoting the DIMA site :
"You are eligible to be awarded Australian work experience points if you have been employed in Australia:
in an occupation listed on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL)
while holding a visa that allows you to work
for at least 20 hours a week
in a paid position
at a skilled level in your nominated occupation or in a closely related occupation on the SOL for a period(s) totalling at least one (1) year in the four (4) years immediately before the day you lodge your application".

I am working part-time (20 hrs a week)as a Medical Lab Assistant. But the job is not related to my degree (Chemistry) at all, but it is closely related to a job in the SOL but not the MODL ( Medical Laboratory Technical Officer). So would that give me the extra 10 points if I have been in that job for more than 1 year evenif it's not related to my chemistry degree? Or does the job has to be related to my degree to get the extra 10 points?

Thanks a lot

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^^

****************************

Hello

I have one little question about the Permanent visa 885. I should be getting 110 points when I complete my degree in December (assuming that I will get 7/10 for all the English tests) so I am missing 10 points to go for the visa 885.


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Yes, that is right, most international student these days are running short of 10 points as now you get 15 points for getting 6.5 in IELTS instead of 20. However, if you get 7 in all bands of IELTS, you get 25 points which solves your problem.

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But on the DIMA site it says you can get 10 points for Australian Work Experience.

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You are eligible to be awarded Australian work experience points if you have been employed in Australia:

* In an occupation listed on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL)

* While holding a visa that allows you to work

* For at least 20 hours a week

* In a paid position

* At a skilled level in your nominated occupation or in a closely related occupation on the SOL.

* For a period(s) totalling at least one (1) year in the four (4) years immediately before the day you lodge your application

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Quoting the DIMA site :
"You are eligible to be awarded Australian work experience points if you have been employed in Australia:
in an occupation listed on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL)
while holding a visa that allows you to work
for at least 20 hours a week
in a paid position
at a skilled level in your nominated occupation or in a closely related occupation on the SOL for a period(s) totalling at least one (1) year in the four (4) years immediately before the day you lodge your application".


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Yes that is what I also said. If the profession you have worked in while in Australia is on the SOL, then you should nominate the same profession while applying for PR.

Who decides whether the profession you have worked in is in fact closely related to the one listed on the SOL?

Ans: The assessing body. It is the assessing body which will let the immigration department know that Mr. A worked in profession B and he qualifies as a professional in profession B and that his work experience for one year makes him a professional in profession B.

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I am working part-time (20 hrs a week)as a Medical Lab Assistant. But the job is not related to my degree (Chemistry) at all, but it is closely related to a job in the SOL but not the MODL ( Medical Laboratory Technical Officer).

So would that give me the extra 10 points if I have been in that job for more than 1 year evenif it's not related to my chemistry degree?


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Your degree is related to profession A. You worked in profession B.

Both A and B are listed on SOL. So instead of nominating Profession A for PR which is related to your degree, nominate profession B for PR in which you worked for 1 yr.


Because if you will chose profession A, you will run short of points.


Basically if you read the law, you will see that two years study rule is a pre-requisite. It doesnt fetch you any points. Without studying two yrs you cannot lodge an application. But without work experience you can lodge an application.



The law doesn't state that the degree you studied in for two years HAS TO BE relevant to the profession on the SOL you have worked in OR the profession you nominated for PR.

The law only requires you to have studied in Australia for two years.

You should double check this information with a registered Migration lawyer to confirm what I am saying. Let me know if you want to contact one. I might be able to get a free answer from him online through email. But if you want to have a sitting, that will cost money.

Last of all before nominating any profession, make sure that you get a positive skills assessment from your assessing body.

If your assessing body doesn't give you a positive skills assessment for the profession on the SOL which you want to nominate for PR then you are in trouble.

Hope this helps.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Hi

Thanks a lot for the informations, they are very useful.
It would be great if you can contact a Migration Lawyer for me. Thanks a lot.
So the job that I am doing now. Evenif I don't have any degree/diploma in it, I can still nominate the job that is closely related to it from the SOL and apply for PR through it?
I thought that the assesing board needed copies of my degree etc that are related to the job I am nominating from the list?

Please help me.

Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^^

Hi

Thanks a lot for the informations, they are very useful.
It would be great if you can contact a Migration Lawyer for me. Thanks a lot.
So the job that I am doing now. Evenif I don't have any degree/diploma in it, I can still nominate the job that is closely related to it from the SOL and apply for PR through it?
I thought that the assesing board needed copies of my degree etc that are related to the job I am nominating from the list?

Please help me.

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I only advised you from immigration department's point of view.

I am unaware of what the requirements of your assessing body are.

You should contact your assessing body for further information regarding whether they want a degree or not to assess you as a professional in profession A,B,C.

Give me your email address so that I can contact you.

Kind Regards

Anonymous said...

Dear Junaid

I have been granted a visa 485. And in about 5 months I will be in my job for 1 year and this should give me the 10 extra points that I need to go for 885. I am just wondering, do they cease the visa 485 as soon as you lodge application for 885? Or do I stay on 485 until it expires and if when expires they still haven't made a decision on my 885 case then they put me on a bridging visa? Is that how it works?

Cheers man

Al

DJ said...

its really a fantastic job from ur side.i m really very much impressed with ur work.

i want to enquire one thing that, as it is mentioned that a legal relative can also sponser you if he is a australian citizen.and i wann know that my cousin brother{my father's brother - son} is in australia.if he can sponser me after compltetion of my course.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@DJ

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its really a fantastic job from ur side.i m really very much impressed with ur work.

i want to enquire one thing that, as it is mentioned that a legal relative can also sponser you if he is a australian citizen.and i wann know that my cousin brother{my father's brother - son} is in australia.if he can sponser me after compltetion of my course.

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Read the following to figure out who can be a sponsor.


Who can be a sponsor?

To sponsor a skilled worker you must be at least 18 years of age and usually resident in Australia as one of the following:

* an Australian citizen
* an Australian permanent resident
* an Eligible New Zealand citizen.


You, your spouse or your interdependent partner must be related to your sponsor as one of the following:

* a non-dependent child – including an adoptive or step-child
* a parent – including adoptive or step–parent
* a brother or sister – including adoptive or step-siblings
* a niece or nephew – including adoptive or step–niece or nephew
* an aunt or uncle – including adoptive or step–aunt or uncle


Since your father's brother's son is not mentioned in the above list, therefore, your cousin cannot sponsor you.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@AI

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Dear Junaid

I have been granted a visa 485. And in about 5 months I will be in my job for 1 year and this should give me the 10 extra points that I need to go for 885. I am just wondering, do they cease the visa 485 as soon as you lodge application for 885?
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Normally, when you lodge an application for a visa, you are placed on a bridging visa. The bridging visa is applicable from the day your previous visa expires.

So if your 485 expires after 10 days, and you apply for a new visa today, the bridging visa will take affect after 10 days.

The bridging visa is an indefinite visa which remains valid until the decision about your application is made.

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Or do I stay on 485 until it expires and if when expires they still haven't made a decision on my 885 case then they put me on a bridging visa? Is that how it works?
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No it works as explained above. You are automatically placed on a bridging visa and it takes affect the day your 485 expires.

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Hope this helps.

Kind Regards

Junaid

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Anonymous said...

Hey man

I am currently finishing off my BSC in Physics (in June). (3 years of study). And I would like to do a graduate diploma in Secondary Education to Teach Physics soon after I finish my BSC. But the graduate diploma is just one year and I will be doing that at a different Uni. So will that count as 2 years of study in Australia? Coz all together it will be 4 years of study and both the BSC and grad diploma will lead to teaching physics in the end. (but just that I will do the grad diploma in Education at a different Uni and it will be just one year).

Let me know how that works man.

Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^^^

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Hey man

I am currently finishing off my BSC in Physics (in June). (3 years of study). And I would like to do a graduate diploma in Secondary Education to Teach Physics soon after I finish my BSC. But the graduate diploma is just one year and I will be doing that at a different Uni. So will that count as 2 years of study in Australia? Coz all together it will be 4 years of study and both the BSC and grad diploma will lead to teaching physics in the end. (but just that I will do the grad diploma in Education at a different Uni and it will be just one year).

Let me know how that works man.

Thanks a lot.

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You can actually get additional bonus points for having completed one of the following conditions

You get 15 points if

You have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you:

* met the requirements for award of a masters degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:

o of at least one (1) year

o undertaken while you were present in Australia.

AND

* met the requirements for award of an undergraduate degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:

o of at least one (1) year

o undertaken while you were present in Australia.

Since you would be only enrolling in a diploma, the above mentioned condition doesn't apply to you.


However, you can get 15 points if

You have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you:

* met the requirements for award of an honours degree (second class (division 1) level or above) by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:

o of at least one (1) year

o undertaken while you were present in Australia.

AND

* met the requirements for award of an undergraduate degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:

o of at least one (1) year
o undertaken while you were present in Australia.


I am not sure but after completing your bachelors degree, if you can study a little bit more and achieve a honours degree, you will get additional 15 bonus points.

Please note that, you have to choose a profession on the SOL after your complete your studies. The profession you choose MUST BE CLOSELY related to the degree(S) you have done.


If you think the above condition doesnt apply to you then have a look at the last condition which you can avail.

You get additional 15 points if

You have met the requirements for award of an undergraduate degree with honours (second class (division 1) level or above) by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:

* of at least three (3) years
* undertaken while you were present in Australia.

The last condition only gets you 5 points which is when you have met the two (2) year study requirement.


So although you fulfil the two yr study requirement, BUT, it would be good to try to get an honours degree and get additional 15 points as you are going to study an additional yr in any case.


Please note that all the above information depends on the fact whether your degree(s) are closely related to a profession on the SOL or not?

Also remember that the immigration department might raise an objection if you have done multiple degrees and they do not match with each other.

Qualifications must be closely related to nominated occupation

The Australian qualification/s you have completed must be closely related to your nominated skilled occupation. This means that the subject matter and the skills gained from your qualifications can be applied at the level you achieved them in your nominated skilled occupation.

Examples:

* Diploma in Business and Certificate IV in Carpentry would be consistent with nominating Carpenter as your occupation as applicants could find those qualifications genuinely useful in operating their own business as a carpenter.

* Masters in IT and Certificate III in Carpentry would not be consistent with nominating Carpenter as your occupation as you have attained skills at a significantly higher level in a professional field and skills at that level will not have any practical application in working as a carpenter.


So if you do a diploma in secondary education while your degree is in Physics, that might be a problem for you as both the fields are not related. One field is related to teaching while the other field is related to Physics.

So as an advice, it would be better from a PR points of view to simple do an honours degree in Physics and then apply for PR.

I am assuming that there is a profession closely related to Physics degree on the SOL.

Hope this answers your question.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

HI. If I am on a graduate visa and when on the visa I applied for 885 and 885 wasn't approved and my graduate visa is still valid, can I apply for another visa e.g 487 (provisional) or reapply for 885 if I am more confident of getting it approved on the second time around?

I mean is there any limitation to the number of visa you apply for?

Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^^

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HI. If I am on a graduate visa and when on the visa I applied for 885 and 885 wasn't approved and my graduate visa is still valid, can I apply for another visa e.g 487 (provisional) or reapply for 885 if I am more confident of getting it approved on the second time around?

I mean is there any limitation to the number of visa you apply for?

Thanks a lot.

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I am actually unaware of your answer.

There is some sort of a glitch in this.

As far as I know you can apply for 885 if you have a 485 graduate skilled visa.

But you need to check that with a lawyer.

The 485 visa allows overseas students who do not meet the criteria for a permanent General Skilled Migration visa to remain in Australia for 18 months to gain skilled work experience or improve their English language skills.

As a holder of this visa, you may apply for permanent residence at any time if you are able to meet the passmark on the General Skilled Migration points test.

It says that you can apply for PR if you have 485, but would be good to check with a lawyer.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vikram said...

hi junaid my name is vikram i am a international student from india and currently studying diploma in hospitality managment i just want to know that if i clear ielts with 7 in each now does this means that i will not need ielts when applying for pr after 2 years and also there would be a need of work experience

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vikram

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hi junaid my name is vikram i am a international student from india and currently studying diploma in hospitality managment i just want to know that if i clear ielts with 7 in each now does this means that i will not need ielts when applying for pr after 2 years and also there would be a need of work experience

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If your IELTS result is valid on the date of lodgement of your visa, then you do not need to appear in another IELTS exam.

However, if you the IELTS exam has expired on the date of lodging the application then you need to appear in another exam.


Kind Regards

Junaid

Anand G said...

Hi Junaid,

Thanx for such an informative blog. I have got a query for you
I have calculated my points using caculator and it sums upto 115. I have been working with a compounding pharmacy in melbourne since last two years now. i have very good relation with my boss and i can avail an experience certificate from him , but neither me or him know about the format of legitimate experience letter. what is the procedure of an experience based PR application?
I will be obliged if you can reply me soon. can you also advise me of any good Lawyer of Migration agent in melbourne (who charges reasonable FEES ! :-) ) ?

can you email me on anand_gadhavi@yahoo.com , i will keep checking your blog...

Thanks & Awaiting your reply
Anand

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Anand

Hi Junaid,

Thanx for such an informative blog. I have got a query for you
I have calculated my points using caculator and it sums upto 115. I have been working with a compounding pharmacy in melbourne since last two years now. i have very good relation with my boss and i can avail an experience certificate from him , but neither me or him know about the format of legitimate experience letter. what is the procedure of an experience based PR application?
I will be obliged if you can reply me soon. can you also advise me of any good Lawyer of Migration agent in melbourne (who charges reasonable FEES ! :-) ) ?

can you email me on anand_gadhavi@yahoo.com , i will keep checking your blog...

Thanks & Awaiting your reply
Anand


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All you need as a proof of job in your own profession is the following

1. Pay Slips showing you have worked 20 hours per week for 52 weeks, in the profession closely related to your degree and the profession you have nominated on the SOL.

2. Tax returns showing that you lodged a tax return on a salary earned from the job you are claiming points for.

3. Appointment letter stating job description and your job title.


4. I would recommend www.auslead.com as my choice of lawyer. He sits in Sydney but does cases from all around the world.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anand said...

Thanks a ton Junaid,

Its gonna be really hard than.. i would rather lodge for temporary residency and meanwhile i will give another shot at IELTS... Hey Junaid my student visa expires on
5th september 2008 which means i have gt 1 and half month to do everything.... i knw it takes 1 month to get police clearance and more than a month to get ur degree assessed. can u tell me in order to lodge an application for Temporary residency (486) do i actually need a confirmed letter from degree assessing body , which is CPA in my case, stating my degree is assessed or i can get away with receipt ? please guide me for temperory residency... i m really stressed bcos of all dis question....

your response will b much appreciated....

Thanks
Kindest regards,
Anand

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Anand

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Thanks a ton Junaid,

Its gonna be really hard than.. i would rather lodge for temporary residency and meanwhile i will give another shot at IELTS... Hey Junaid my student visa expires on
5th september 2008 which means i have gt 1 and half month to do everything.... i knw it takes 1 month to get police clearance and more than a month to get ur degree assessed. can u tell me in order to lodge an application for Temporary residency (486) do i actually need a confirmed letter from degree assessing body , which is CPA in my case, stating my degree is assessed or i can get away with receipt ? please guide me for temperory residency... i m really stressed bcos of all dis question....

your response will b much appreciated....

Thanks
Kindest regards,
Anand



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Why whats so hard about getting pay slips and group certificates?

Any way, yes just a postal receipt for assessment of degree would do and you can submit the police certificate later on.

I am not much sure about temporary visa, but if you have studied for two years you can apply for graduate skilled visa which is for 18 months and then apply for PR based on your work experience in the pharmacy you are working in.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anand said...

Thanks Junaid.. you are a gem.... keep up the good work....

Cheers...

Ganesh K said...

Hello Junaid,
I saw your blog and looked very informative and helpful to International students. Please clarify my doubts.
I have applied for my PR (885)in March 2008 along with my wife. I have rcvd the receipt of acknowledgement and am on bridging visa. Still waiting for case worker to be assigned. I have couple of querries:
1. How long will it take for a case worker to be nominated/issue of visa?
2. Since my wife had taken her IELTS before coming to Australia, it's validity expires in November. Now if the visa is not granted before November does she need to take IELTS again? For that matter do we need to do all the tests (medicals/AFP, PCC) again?

Please respond. Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Ganesh

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Hello Junaid,
I saw your blog and looked very informative and helpful to International students. Please clarify my doubts.
I have applied for my PR (885)in March 2008 along with my wife. I have rcvd the receipt of acknowledgement and am on bridging visa. Still waiting for case worker to be assigned. I have couple of querries:
1. How long will it take for a case worker to be nominated/issue of visa?
2. Since my wife had taken her IELTS before coming to Australia, it's validity expires in November. Now if the visa is not granted before November does she need to take IELTS again? For that matter do we need to do all the tests (medicals/AFP, PCC) again?

Please respond. Thanks a lot.


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1. The amount of time taken for a case office is not fixed but normally it happens within 6 months.

2. If the IELTS is valid on the date of your lodging the visa, then its ok. However, if the IELTS has expired on the date of lodging the visa, then you need to appear in the IELTS exam again.

No you dont need to do all tests again. Only IELTS again.

From now on, you must have received your IELTS results before you lodge the application. So without IELTS results, you cannot apply for PR.

Kind Regards

Junaid

bobggl said...

Hello Junaid,

I've just come across with your blog, it was informative. Could you please answer my question?

I've lodged my online application for subclass 885. My question is regarding Australian Federal Police (AFP) checkes, form 1101.

I applied for AFP on 20 August and then I lodged my application on 27 August without the result of AFP. Could you please tell me whether my application is valid? I will attach the result of AFP as soon as I get it.

Many thanks for your kind attention.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^

Hello Junaid,

I've just come across with your blog, it was informative. Could you please answer my question?

I've lodged my online application for subclass 885. My question is regarding Australian Federal Police (AFP) checkes, form 1101.

I applied for AFP on 20 August and then I lodged my application on 27 August without the result of AFP. Could you please tell me whether my application is valid? I will attach the result of AFP as soon as I get it.

Many thanks for your kind attention.


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Yes your application is valid.

Send it as soon as you receive it.

bobggl said...

Thanks Junaid for your fast response. Let me tell you that I received the result of AFP this Friday. It took only one week and was so fast. More importantly, the date of issuing the AFP letter is 26 august, just one day before my PR application lodgement date. I think I can be 100% sure now.

Many thanks for your attention.

simran said...

I am writing to request some assistance from you in selecting a course for my brother.He got a offer letter.it is mentioned in the letter that course is 2 year horticulture package.
Certificate 3 in horticulture
diploma in business management.
Just assist me whether this course will provide enough points for PR.
Thanks for you help and support

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Simran

I am writing to request some assistance from you in selecting a course for my brother.He got a offer letter.it is mentioned in the letter that course is 2 year horticulture package.
Certificate 3 in horticulture
diploma in business management.
Just assist me whether this course will provide enough points for PR.
Thanks for you help and support



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Hi Simran,

The question whether your brother will be able to obtain permanent residency after completing his studies depends upon what profession is he going to choose on the SOL/MODL after completing his studies.

He must choose a profession on the SOL/MODL which is CLOSELY RELATED to the studies he has completed.

The SOL can be accessed by visiting the following link.

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf


I will be able to answer you once I know what profession is your brother going to choose on the SOL/MODL after completing his studies.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

hi junaid
can i use my credit cards as a proof of funds to sponser my brother as a student visa.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^

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hi junaid
can i use my credit cards as a proof of funds to sponser my brother as a student visa.


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The law regarding financial support is as follows




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Acceptable sources of income

The money to support you and your family members must come from one or more acceptable sources, which may include:

* a money deposit with a financial institution that has been held for at least six consecutive months immediately before the date of your visa application by
o you
o your spouse
o your brother or sister
o your parents
o your grandparents
o your aunt or uncle (only if they usually live in Australia and are either a citizen/permanent resident of Australia or an eligible New Zealand citizen)
* a loan from a financial institution made to (and in the name of)
o you
o your spouse
o your brother or sister
o your parents
o your grandparents
o your aunt or uncle (only if they usually live in Australia and are either a citizen/permanent resident of Australia or an eligible New Zealand citizen)
* a loan from the government of your home country
* your proposed education provider
* the Australian Government or an Australian State or Territory government
* the government of a foreign country
* a provincial or state government of a foreign country that has the written support of the national government of the foreign country
* an organisation gazetted by the Minister
* an acceptable non-profit organisation
* a multilateral agency.
Examples: United Nations, World Bank or Asian Development Bank

Note: Non-cash assets such as property and shares are not acceptable sources of income. However, non-cash assets may be liquidated or used as collateral on a loan, if they are provided by an acceptable source.
Providing evidence of money deposits or loans

You need to show evidence of how the money to fund your studies was accumulated.

If your source of income is a money deposit held in a bank account, you must provide the following evidence:

* pay slips
* bank loan documents
* interest from investments.

If your source of income is a loan, you must provide the following evidence:

* a bank statement showing the amount of available credit
* a statement from the holder of the loan that its purpose is to support your studies.

Note: If your source of income is a home loan with a redraw facility from an Australian financial institution, the funds from the redraw facility may be considered a loan. A home loan with a redraw facility from a non-Australian financial institution may be acceptable, but must be considered on a case-by-case basis.
Financial support from a non-profit organisation

A non-profit organisation providing you with financial support must be lawfully established and operating in Australia or overseas.

You must show evidence of the organisation's non-profit status, including:

* statement from the Australian Taxation Office showing organisation's status
* documents of incorporation as a non-profit organisation.

You must also show evidence that the organisation has sufficient funds or income to support you financially. Evidence may include:

* bank statements
* financial statements.


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So as a brother, you can support your brother.

The law above doesnt specifically mentioned credit cards.

I am unable to give you a clear YES or NO answer but since credit cards are also a form of a loan, I would say that yes they are acceptable source of income.

However, from my previous experience, the department favors cash, e.g. account etc since not every credit card allows you to take cash out.

But it would be good to contact the department and ask them directly.

Kind Regards

Junaid

ron said...

Hi Junaid,
I have enrolled for an engg course which is under the category which gives 60 points.....but as per the new rules it seems that i will get those 60 points only if I work for a year in a field related to my course of study ...after my studies.
is it so?
kindly help

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Ron

Hi Junaid,
I have enrolled for an engg course which is under the category which gives 60 points.....but as per the new rules it seems that i will get those 60 points only if I work for a year in a field related to my course of study ...after my studies.
is it so?
kindly help


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Where is this new rule written?

You can still claim points for your occupation on SOL as per the web link below

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-occupation.htm

What you cannot claim is the specific work experience which requires 1 year work experience.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Daniyal said...

Hello Junaid
I have got a question which might be a bit out of context in terms it is going to fall in Study in Australia Blog....
I am posting nevertheless as I see you are generous enough to answer such ones :D
I am working on my Aussie case through an agent and I received my +ve assessment from ACS stating:
"For the purpose of your your application you have as of November 2006 satisfied the requirements of the ACS PIM 2, Group A"
The confusion arises with the mention of November 2006 whereas I applied just a couple of months back....I guess they have missed out a ',' which have solved the confusion.
Anyways can you tell me the implication of the date in past ?
Also i have been assigned ASCO Code: 2231-15, my question here is that although I have been working part time(hours enough to be considered for full time) for period 07/01 - 07/08 (7 years as accepted by ACS), I also happened to complete my BCS within the same frame.
I supported my studies with the job...question is that I have been added into group A, so will the 4 years degree have any chances of spoiling my work experience in any way when applying to DIMIA for visa...
I can provide all the letters to them...thanks in advance

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Daniyal

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Hello Junaid
I have got a question which might be a bit out of context in terms it is going to fall in Study in Australia Blog....
I am posting nevertheless as I see you are generous enough to answer such ones :D
I am working on my Aussie case through an agent and I received my +ve assessment from ACS stating:
"For the purpose of your your application you have as of November 2006 satisfied the requirements of the ACS PIM 2, Group A"
The confusion arises with the mention of November 2006 whereas I applied just a couple of months back....I guess they have missed out a ',' which have solved the confusion.
Anyways can you tell me the implication of the date in past ?
Also i have been assigned ASCO Code: 2231-15, my question here is that although I have been working part time(hours enough to be considered for full time) for period 07/01 - 07/08 (7 years as accepted by ACS), I also happened to complete my BCS within the same frame.
I supported my studies with the job...question is that I have been added into group A, so will the 4 years degree have any chances of spoiling my work experience in any way when applying to DIMIA for visa...
I can provide all the letters to them...thanks in advance



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Ans 1. If you open this document which is the ACS current guidelines for assessment

https://www.acs.org.au/assessment/docs/Current_PIMGuidelines.pdf

You will see that this document was authored in 2006. PIM 2 Issue 8, 3 July 2006.

So you have been assessed in accordance with the current policies of ACS.

This is just a way of writing things. Nothing fancy about it.

Ans 2. No, your studies and your work have no conflict and there will be no problem as far as immigration is concerned.

Since ACS has already verified your work experience and degree, the immigration department would be happy that they have less work to do.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Deepu said...

Dear Junaid.... Your blog is really helpful for those who r really needy!
Am Deepu from India.
I have a question,
Am gonna do Bachelor of Nursing at University of Queensland. Its a one and a half year course. I had IELTS score 7.5 and it got expiried! so in this criteria can i earn points required to get PR in australia?

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Deepu

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Dear Junaid.... Your blog is really helpful for those who r really needy!
Am Deepu from India.
I have a question,
Am gonna do Bachelor of Nursing at University of Queensland. Its a one and a half year course. I had IELTS score 7.5 and it got expiried! so in this criteria can i earn points required to get PR in australia?


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How can a bachelor degree just be of one and a half yr?

Any way, yes, when you are going to lodge your application for permanent residency, you will have to appear in the IELT test once again.

Since your occupation is nurse, your assessing body requires that you have a minimum of band 7 in all modules of an academic IELTS test.

So you will have to score 7 once again in all modules before lodging your PR application and getting yourself assessed from the assessing body of NURSES, Australian Nursing and Midwifery Council, ANMC, www.anmc.org.au

Kind Regards

Junaid

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Natalie said...

Hi! Thanks for all the information you gave us in your blog. I would like to seek for your advice though.

I'm 24 and I have completed a bachelor degree of graphic design in perth, australia. However I was only there for a year as i was a transferred student from a uni in Malaysia. Now im thinking of studying a master degree in business (marketing) to get pr. I'm aware that the new regulation to apply pr is to meet 2 year study requirement and if i took different courses to add up to 2 years, the courses must be closely related. My question is whether marketing and design will be seen as closely related? will you advice me to go for this course or perhaps its not a safe decision?

And if my master degree only takes 1.5 years to finish, will i be granted 15 point for having a degree in master? or it must be a total of 3 years of study? (2 years results in master degree and 1 year in bachelor, according to point calculator)

Hopefully you can help clearing up my confusion. Thanks a lot.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Natalie

Before I can give you an answer, I need to know the following

1. What was the degree, you enrolled in? What is the course code? The degree that you did as a transfer student, was that registered on the CRICOS website?

Check the CRICOS website and check whether the course you attended was registered or not

cricos.dest.gov.au/

2. Where did you finally complete the degree. In Malaysia or Australia?

3. Now, depending upon whether the first year you studied adds up with the second yr you want to study in Australia, you might or might not be able to apply for PR. Its a tricky question and I need to discuss this with my boss.

4. Yes graphic design and marketing and design are closely related. You can do both the courses.

5.If your masters degree is of 1.5 yrs then

i) You can apply for PR provided your earlier education is considered towards the two yr study period.

ii) In case your earlier education is not counted towards the 2 year rule then you cannot apply for PR as you would have only studied for 1.5 yrs. You would then need to study for another 6 months to fulfill the requirement of two yr study.

You do not get points for doing a degree. You get points for selecting a profession on the SOL. Please check the SOL and see what profession best suits your skills. Once you choose a profession, then you would have to obtain a positive skills assessment in that profession.

If you cannot obtain a positive skills assessment then you cannot apply for PR using that profession.


I would suggest that you apply for offshore immigration if you have at least one yr of work experience and can obtain a positive skill assessment in graphic design or a related profession. Please see the SOL and let me know what best suits your skills.

The SOL can be found at

www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf

Kind Regards

Junaid

gaurav said...

hi zunaid
can you tell me who all comes under blood relatives for sponsoring Permanent residency. I have a second cousion in there can she sponsor me according to the rules.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Gaurav

You can find the list of eligible relatives by visiting the following URL

http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2008/10/list-of-eligible-sponsors-for-886-and.html

No, second cousins are not included in the list of eligible relatives for sponsorship.

Fernando said...

Hi Juanid, your blog is awesome. This is a great help.

I want to apply for the PR but I have several questions before I do:

1. I studied in an exchange program for 1 year and then those subjects were credited towards my Bachelor in Business IS for which I was two years but not exactly fulltime because in total I took 14 subjects in the australian university.

2. I have one year Australian experience in my occupation, is that going to give me extra points?

3. I would really like to apply for the 885 but I don't have the enough money for it. Can I apply for the 485 and then just apply for the 885 once i get money? Is there any drawbacks of doing it this way. Are all the documents going to be still valid and my skills assessment as well?

4. Should I apply for the PR skills assessment instead of the recent graduate one? I can provide evidence of my australian experience.

5. Could you tell me what are the main differences of the 485 and the 885?

Thank you so much for this. I appreciate your help!

--Fernando

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Fernando

From what you have mentioned, I gather that you studied in Australia for only one yr.

If that is correct, then, you cannot apply for 885 since the requirement of 885 is that you should have studied in Australia for two yrs, full time in a CRICOS certified course.

Your next question is that you want to apply for 485. The requirement of 485 is once again that you should have studied in Australia for 2 yrs. If you have not studied in Australia for 2 yrs full time, then you cannot apply for 485.

Your next question is whether you can claim points for your Australian work experience.

Yes, you can if you have been employed in your nominated occupation for at least 1 yr in the past 4 yrs immediately before lodging the application.

Yes you can apply for 485, keep working in the profession you would like to nominate in the future and then when your 485 is about to expire, you lodge application for 885.

The draw back of doing it this way is that you end up spending more time and more money too! As you would have to process two applications 485 and then 885.

485 is a temporary 18 months work visa where as 885 is a permanent visa.


If you already have one yr of work experience in your profession then simply apply for 175 offshore immigration (provided you can get a positive skills assessment from your assessing body.)

However, that would mean that you will have to leave Australia once your current visa expires and wait to come back till your 175 application is approved.

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

Junaid

Fernando said...

Hi Juanid, thanks so much for your quick response.

I'm really concerned because my visa expires on 30 of Jan 09 and I thought I was going to be able to get the 485.

You are saying that it won't be possible for me to get it. So at the same time I have 1 year australian experience in my field but for the skills assessment (ACS) should I nominate myself as a recent graduate or with another occupation?

I'm getting a bit confused as how to apply. I have all the documents ready to send them through to them. The ACS has an application for a recent graduate GROUP C (which doesn't need work experience) and there's the normal skill assessment GROUP A where there is a qualifications criteria (which I meet) and an experience criteria (4 years work).

This is where I find it confusing. I want to apply for what I will have the most chances of getting the PR.

Could you give me your good advice for this situation, I'm really worried about it.

Do you think I should go for the 485 to try and if they refuse it just apply for the 175 offshore?

Thanks again for your help is very much appreciated.

--Fernando

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Fernando

You are confusing two different processes which are from two different organizations.

ACS is a different organization with its own requirements.

DIAC is a separate gov body with its own requirements.

ACS doesnt care what DIAC demands.

DIAC doesnt care what ACS demands.


ACS is not interested in how long you have studied as long as you have studied in a course accredited by them.

DIAC is only interested in a letter from ACS saying "Fernando is a qualified profession in ASCO Code XXXX-XX"

Now coming to your questions


I'm really concerned because my visa expires on 30 of Jan 09 and I thought I was going to be able to get the 485.


You can check the immigration department website which clearly says what 485 is. "An 18 month temporary visa for overseas students who have obtained an Australian qualification in Australia as a result of at least two (2) years study."


If you have not studied for two yrs in Australia, full time in a CRICOS course(s) and completed the course(s) as well, then you cannot apply for 485.

You are saying that it won't be possible for me to get it.

According to the rules, you need to have studied for two yrs and satisfied all conditions to be eligible for a 485.


So at the same time I have 1 year australian experience in my field but for the skills assessment (ACS) should I nominate myself as a recent graduate or with another occupation?

For getting an assessment from ACS, you need to nominate yourself as a recent graduate from an Australian university. That way you wont have to show 4 yrs of experience to be able to obtain an assessment from ACS and at the same time fulfill the one yr work experience requirement of DIAC as well.

Please note that the work experience you have and the profession you chose on the SOL, all MUST BE CLOSELY RELATED to each other. If you obtain an assessment from ACS for profession A but then select profession B on the SOL, it would be of no use then.

If one of them is not closely related, your application stands a chance of being rejected.


The ACS has an application for a recent graduate GROUP C (which doesn't need work experience) and there's the normal skill assessment GROUP A where there is a qualifications criteria (which I meet) and an experience criteria (4 years work)

Yes thats why I advised you to apply in group C.


This is where I find it confusing. I want to apply for what I will have the most chances of getting the PR.

Your best chance is offshore immigration visa 175. I am assuming you have calculated your points and you are scoring 120 in the points test.


Do you think I should go for the 485 to try and if they refuse it just apply for the 175 offshore?

Well that would be a waste of money and time. If you have not studied for two yrs, your application will get rejected. You can give that extra cash to me :)


The only problem with 175 would be that upon the expiry of your current student visa, you will have to leave Australia. If you dont want to do that then enroll in another cheap course and extend your visa until your 175 is decided.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Fernando said...

Wow, now everything is clearing out.

Do they refuse it straight away or do they give you the bridging visa before refusing it?

The 485 costs only $200, and they'll give me a bridging visa so do you think I should try and in the meantime save for a cheap course? Or do you know (maybe not the right place for this question) what kind of cheap course will give me a visa?

I'm desperate because my gf and I were thinking(defacto) of applying toegether for it. She has a visa with more time.So that means they gonna separate us for this amount of time? it sucks....

Anyway, hope is not much hassle too many questions.

Thanks so much for all your help.

Regards,
--Fernando.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Fernando

Well if your gf already has a visa, then you can apply for a dependent visa using her the primary applicant.

Now I am not entirely sure of this as I dont deal with such cases. You need to contact my boss for this.

Contact him after Christmas.

He will figure out a way for you that you dont have to leave Australia.

In case you get a dependent visa, then you can work full time and make money for your 175.

I am not sure if the 485 will be rejected right away or not.

Which city are you in? Sydney or Melbourne?

If you are in Sydney it would be worthwhile to have a session with my boss. He charges $110.

Or else you can send me all your documents scanned and I will get an answer for you.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Fernando said...

Sure Juanid,

What sort of documents do you need.

My girlfriend has a holiday working visa.

Another thing I forgot is my graduation is on March so maybe they can give me some sort of visa or maybe with the bridging just while I get the 175

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

Please send the following

1. Scanned copy of your passport
2. Scanned copy of your visa
3. Scanned copy of your results, ECoE.
4. Scanned copy of your girlsfriend's passport and visa.
5. Your resume.
6. Scanned copy of offer letter from the company where you worked.
7. Group certificate, pay slips

Please send all of this at sjunaidn@gmail.com

Kind Regards

Junaid

Fernando said...

Juanid,

My uncle is a New Zealand Citizen, but he lives in Perth, will that help our (my defacto girlfriend and me) application?

I'm in Melbourne by the way.

Regards,

Fernando.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Fernando

If your uncle is an eligible New Zealand citizen, then you can apply for 886 or 176 visa which has a pool mark of 100.

An eligible New Zeland citizen is defined as


eligible New Zealand citizen

means a New Zealand citizen who:

(a) at the time of his or her last entry to Australia, would have satisfied public interest criteria 4001 to 4004 and 4007 to 4009; and

(b) either:

(i) was in Australia on 26 February 2001 as the holder of a Subclass 444 (Special Category) visa that was in force on that date; or

(ii) was in Australia as the holder of a Subclass 444 visa for a period of, or periods that total, not less than 1 year in the period of 2 years immediately before 26 February 2001; or

(iii) has a certificate, issued under the Social Security Act 1991, that states that the citizen was, for the purposes of that Act, residing in Australia on a particular date.


Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

hi junaid
My query is does getting a pass marks results in pr or its just the screening . I obtained following marks on basis of these marks what are my chances of getting Pr .


60 points for your nominated occupation ( computer programming analyst or general)

30 points for your age ( age 24)

15 points for English language ability ( for ielts)

15 points for your occupation in demand / job offer ( i am working at Ats infotech and will complete 12 months in june and my platform is .NET which comes under occupation in demand)

My other question is there is very much discrimination on the basis of colour and they give prefrence in jobs to white is that true and to what extent

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^

hi junaid
My query is does getting a pass marks results in pr or its just the screening . I obtained following marks on basis of these marks what are my chances of getting Pr .


60 points for your nominated occupation ( computer programming analyst or general)

30 points for your age ( age 24)

15 points for English language ability ( for ielts)

15 points for your occupation in demand / job offer ( i am working at Ats infotech and will complete 12 months in june and my platform is .NET which comes under occupation in demand)

My other question is there is very much discrimination on the basis of colour and they give prefrence in jobs to white is that true and to what extent



Ans 1. If you score 120 in the points test then you are eligible for at least visa subclass 175 which is for people who are applying from overseas.

My other question is there is very much discrimination on the basis of colour and they give prefrence in jobs to white is that true and to what extent

Ans 2: This is completely false. If you have the skills and experience, you will have a very good career.


PS: Please note that before you can apply for offshore immigration as an IT professional, you would need a positive skills assessment from ACS.

ACS requires that either you should have an Australian university degree OR 4 yrs of work experience in order to gain positive skills assessment.

If you do not have 4 yrs of work experience then ACS will not give you a positive skills assessment and hence the immigration department will not accept you as an IT professional.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

but junaid I have completed my Engineering in computer science . then too ACS will look for 4 years of work experience. if yes what is the other way .
Can by getting a two year master degree help me in that .

and what about citizenship if i am there for total of 4 years ( 2 yrs on education vissa and other 2 on PR)then AM i eligible for citizenship .

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^

Without a 4 yr bachelor degree in computer science, ACS will not even consider your application.

The pre-requisites set by ACS for applicants who do not have Australian qualifications are

1. A 4 yr bachelor degree in with majors in CS.

2. 4 yrs of work experience.


So you have two options

1. Get 4 yrs of work experience
2. Or study in Australia and get an Australian degree.

Yes if you live in Australia for 4 yrs out of which at least 1 yr as a permanent resident then you are eligible for citizenship.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

hi junaid this is gaurav again thanks for your reply but i am yet have a confusion
Now As you were telling for positive assesment by ACS you need to have a B.E with a minimum of 4 year exp

if this is so i am looking for doing Masters in information technology and management (MITM) from uts which is 1 year course and is professional level course by ACS . Does doing this course will help me in gaining 60 points for nominated occupation professional level and additional 15 points as i have one year exp in .NEt which is on occupation in demand for applying pr.
or is it mandatory for internation student applying for PR should opt for 2 yr course .

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Gaurav

if this is so i am looking for doing Masters in information technology and management (MITM) from uts which is 1 year course and is professional level course by ACS

By doing this one yr degree, provided it is listed as a professional course on the ACS website, you will be able to obtain a positive skills assessment from ACS. So yes then you would no longer need 4 yrs of work experience as required by ACS.


Does doing this course will help me in gaining 60 points for nominated occupation professional level and additional 15 points as i have one year exp in .NEt which is on occupation in demand for applying pr.

Well this course will help you over come the 4 yrs work experience issue for sure.

Now, if you want to apply for onshore immigration then you have to study for two yrs in Australia.

But if you want to save money, you can go back to your home country, apply for offshore immigration, obtain positive skills assessment from ACS based on your Australian qualifications and also obtain MODL points from ACS.

So that way you wont have to spent tuition fees for another yr.

So it depends whether you want to apply for onshore or offshore immigration.


or is it mandatory for internation student applying for PR should opt for 2 yr course .

Yes if you want to apply for onshore immigration as an international student, then you have to study for two yrs.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

thanks for your reply .
is there any differnce in offshore and onshore applications in terms of prefrence. ( like is it eassy to obtain pr on onshore application then offshore.)

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@^^

The difference is in the requirements.

1. Onshore application requires that you study in Australia for two yrs.

2. Offshore requires that you have 4 yrs of work experience as an IT professional.


Normally onshore applications are processed quicker but this is not a hard and fast rule. Some times offshore applications are processed quickly.

If you can score 120 points, then it is easy to get PR whether onshore or offshore.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Maaya said...

Hi Junaid,

My partner has applied for TR in Sydney as he missed out on the bands in one ielts area. I am doing Masters in Clinical Psychology which has 60 points, if we get married is there a way to cover those missing points? Since we dont live together we cant apply for De Facto. But I was thinking of a registered marriage. Is it an option? Would appreciate a reply at your convenience. Many thanks.

Maaya

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Maaya

I am doing Masters in Clinical Psychology which has 60 points, if we get married is there a way to cover those missing points?

If both of you are skilled in a profession which is on the SOL and both of you can obtain a positive skills assessment for the profession, then one of you who is most likely to score 120 points for 885 visa or 100 points for 886 visa should lodge the application as the primary applicant.

That way the primary applicant will get 5 points for spouse skills.

The primary applicant should be some one who can score at least 6 in IELTS and if the primary applicant can score 7 in IELTS, then that would be a bonus.

But I was thinking of a registered marriage.

Yes, since you dont live together, registered marriage would be the best option.

Please read the following to get an idea of the requirements for a spouse.

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/bringing-secondary-app.htm#a

PS: The best thing should be that one of you who can score band 7 in all modules of IELTS and can also get a positive assessment from the relevant assessing body should lodge the application as the primary applicant.

If you are applying for onshore visa 885, please make sure you fulfil the 2 yr study requirement and lodge the application within 6 months of the completion of your study.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Harsh Saxena said...

Hi. I lodged my PR on 30 aug 2007 and its Offshore. I was getting the status about the progress of the files till few weeks before. Last time I checked the status and at that time files of 7 Aug were in progress. But from last 5-6 weeks I m not getting the status. I just want to know the progress status of offshore PR.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Harsh

Well I wont be able to tell whats happening since I am not your agent, but its only been 8 months since you lodged the application. Wait for another two and then send the department an email inquiring about the status of your application.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Sakeeb said...

I have finished my BS, and been working at a software company. I'm planning to move to the design field completely, and as suchh I have found this option:
1.5 Years master of Design (Graphic Design) + 0.5 Years Graduate Certificate in Media from Australian university. - I know this way i can meet the 2 years experience, but my issue is with MODL vs SOL.

I will be studying in Graphics Design field, which is applicable for SOL but NOT for MODL. is there any risk studying for masters on a SOL acknowledged degree (than an MODL)?

Or in other words, what are the disadvantages/risks for an applicant who is applying using 2 years aus masters program in a SOL based field, compared to a student who will apply from a MODL field?

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Sakeeb

1.5 Years master of Design (Graphic Design) + 0.5 Years Graduate Certificate in Media from Australian university. - I know this way i can meet the 2 years experience, but my issue is with MODL vs SOL.

Wrong!

You need to study in a degree, diploma to fulfill the two yrs study requirement.

Studying in certificates is not counted towards the 2 yr rule.

I will be studying in Graphics Design field, which is applicable for SOL but NOT for MODL. is there any risk studying for masters on a SOL acknowledged degree (than an MODL)?


The only risk is not being able to score 120 points.


Or in other words, what are the disadvantages/risks for an applicant who is applying using 2 years aus masters program in a SOL based field, compared to a student who will apply from a MODL field?

The one studying for a MODL field will get more points and easily score 120 points.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

i find ur blog to be very helpful. i m planning to stduy in australia.my age is 27 and i hv to options
either go for masters in informations system which will give me 60 points and i will 30 points for my age and 25 points if i score 7 bands and 5 point for staying in australia.total will be 120 points
but i have one confusion tht whether i have to work for 900 hours to be eligible for PR evn if i have met 120 point scheme.
and other confusion is whether it is possible to get 900 hrs experience in masters of systems easily in australia.please i need this help very urgently because nobdy has explained abt ths to me properly i m really confused and i need ths help as early as possible . i m in confusion and because of which i m goin through troubles .please help me out.

Anonymous said...

i want to do diploma in automotive .its in new csl list nd also on modl .is it easy to get experience in ths field .is ths course good for PR

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj


but i have one confusion tht whether i have to work for 900 hours to be eligible for PR evn if i have met 120 point scheme.


That depends upon what profession you are selecting on the SOL. If you select a profession which has a requirement of 900 hours of work set by the assessing body, then you need to have that 900 hours of work requirement.

What is the profession you will select on the SOL.

You can find the SOL over here.

www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf


and other confusion is whether it is possible to get 900 hrs experience in masters of systems easily in australia.please i need this help very urgently because nobdy has explained abt ths to me properly i m really confused and i need ths help as early as possible . i m in confusion and because of which i m goin through troubles .please help me out.

Well, that depends upon whether you can get a job or not.

What exactly is Masters of Systems? What is the closely related profession on the SOL that matches masters of systems?

If this is some sort of an IT profession, then no, ACS doesnt impose any work requirements if you have an Australian Masters degree in IT.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Anonymous

i want to do diploma in automotive .its in new csl list nd also on modl .is it easy to get experience in ths field .is ths course good for PR

Well getting experience depends whether you can get a job or not. And getting a job depends upon whether you have any skills or not.

Course is good for PR or not?

Well if you can score the required points by studying this course then its good for PR. If you cannot then its not good.

Figure it out yourself.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

In modl list its given as
Computing Professional - specialising in Network Security/Firewall/Internet Security * 2231-79
its masters in information systems .its course in networking and is in csl list telling on demand .i think it comes in sol list also.but i cnt get the condition in modl.plz work it out bro .its in csl list evn in modl .its course of computer networking and is in 60 point scheme but if u can find out it will be of really great help. i m spending daily hundred of rupees to call my frnds in australia to find out but they cnt help me as they r busy in their own life.and yesterday i find ths blog nd i really appreciate tht i got a quick response from ur side .thnx for tht and plz get me out of ths situation as soon as possible
course name is masters in information systems and do let me knw the gud univ. also i hve offer letter of la trobe ,cqu ,and MIT

vj said...

i find it its in sol list in computing professionals 2231 to 2279

nw plz help me out

vj said...

may be i m giving u more pain but the thing is ii m nt sure if its computing professional or IT manager.
i m thinkin of doin master in information system or should i go for master of information techonology .plz guide me.for which i dont need experience for PR

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

In modl list its given as
Computing Professional - specialising in Network Security/Firewall/Internet Security * 2231-79
its masters in information systems .its course in networking and is in csl list telling on demand .i think it comes in sol list also.but i cnt get the condition in modl.


I dont understand what you are saying.

Please send your queries in simple to understand English.


its in csl list evn in modl .its course of computer networking and is in 60 point scheme but if u can find out it will be of really great help.

How can a course be on the CSL? Only professions are on CSL. A university degree cannot be on CSL.


course name is masters in information systems and do let me knw the gud univ. also i hve offer letter of la trobe ,cqu ,and MIT

Well please read this post regarding good universities.

http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/plssss-haaalp-which-uni-to-chose.html

i find it its in sol list in computing professionals 2231 to 2279

nw plz help me out


I know that too that profession 2279 is on the SOL. What exactly is your question?



may be i m giving u more pain but the thing is ii m nt sure if its computing professional or IT manager.
i m thinkin of doin master in information system or should i go for master of information techonology .plz guide me.for which i dont need experience for PR


So your question is that after studying a course A, B or C, would you be able to apply for immigration?

Is that your question?

Then please read the following post which explains every thing.

http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/z-immigration-guide-for-international.html

Let me know if you still have any questions.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

actually i want tht i get PR after my course .i just want tht which courses are there in IT which dont require experience for for .means to say tht after graduating straightaway i apply for PR.
i just want to knw the IT programs wich i cn choose

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

There are dozens of degrees which can enable you to get PR.

All you need to make sure is

1. You study in a degree/multiple degrees for a total period of 2 academic yrs or 92 weeks or more.

2. Your degree is closely related to the occupation you plan to nominate on the SOL. Check the SOL.

3. The degree you enroll in is a CRICOS certified.

4. If your assessing body is ACS, then check if the course is accredited by ACS.

5. Also check that you can score 120 points.

6. Most international students are able to score 110 points and run short of 10 points these days. So you need to score additional points by either scoring 7 or above in all modules of IELTS or claiming points for MODL. You can only claim points for MODL if you have work experience in your nominated occupation for at least 1 yr.


Hope this helps.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

thnx for the information ,i m asking for the course for which i dont need to show 900 hrs work experience .you told me it courses accredited by acs dont need to show experience for PR they can apply after their course.so tell me what these courses are .plz

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

IT degrees accredited by ACS do not require work experience.

ACS will give you a positive skills assessment without work experience. You just need to complete the degree.

For example the degree of Internetworking from UTS doesnt require work experience. If you complete the degree, you can get a positive skills assessment from ACS without the need for 900 hours of work experience.

You can visit the program website by visiting the URL below

http://iwork.it.uts.edu.au/


Please note that you need to fulfill the requirements of both the assessing body and the immigration department in order to be able to apply for PR.

Let me know what course you are taking and I will be able to further help you out.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

thnx for such a kind help...
My query is still the same , okey i am goin to do masters in information system and it is in IT and the profession is closed to one in SOL list .after the course I will be having 30 pts for age 60 pt for course 25 i.elt.s 7 bands 5 pt. for stay in australia
after ths course do i need to work for 900 hrs and show as experience for getting PR or is it true tht i dont need to show any work experience after my masters.I will straightaway apply for PR after i complete the course.
this is my query because i want to do a course which dont hve such requirement .most of the courses hve this requirement of 900hr experience after they complete course and are given 18 mnths stay for gaining tht.
i want to do a course which will help me to apply PR after my graduation and get PR if i meet the points.
because if i will get 18 mnths tra thn my age points will reduce to 25 as i will be 30yr old tht tym

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

My question also remains the same.

1. What is the CRICOS code of the course?

2. Is the course listed on the ACS website as an accredited course? www.acs.org.au

3. What is the duration of the course as listed on the CRICOS website? 92 weeks or more?


this is my query because i want to do a course which dont hve such requirement .most of the courses hve this requirement of 900hr experience after they complete course and are given 18 mnths stay for gaining tht.

The 900 work requirement is for trade professions which are assessed by TRA like plumber, chef, hair dresser etc. ACS doesnt impose any work requirements for applicants with Australian postgraduate degrees.


i want to do a course which will help me to apply PR after my graduation and get PR if i meet the points.

Well a 2 yr masters degree will make you eligible for applying for onshore immigration visa subclass 885.

You will still need to score 120 points to get the visa as per rules and regulations currently in place.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

master of information systemCF75
central queensland university
cricos code-023774G
course duration 2yrs with possibilty of completing in 1.5 yrs
it is accredited by ACS
in cricos i checked its given 104 weeks and broad filed classification is information technology .
and one more thing really now after getting your replies i m now not much confused and i m now not running towards diploma courses for PR i will go for masters .

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

Yes with that course, you will be eligible to apply for PR.

However, you would need to score 120 points to actually get the PR.

How many points are you scoring after doing this degree?

60 for occupation
30 for age
5 for australian qualifications
15 for IELTS

This brings the score to 110. What will you do about the rest of the 10 points?

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

i will score 7 bands in ielts than i will get 25 points thn i will make 120 points i have already scored 7.5 later i will also get because i dont have any other option
. and asked you about age i sent also one more post abt my age turning 30 on feb2012 and my course finishing on july 2011 can i apply after the course without 900 hrs experience coz thn i will be having 120 marks if i score 7 bands
nd is there any other way of covering these 10 points

vj said...

and if i do community language course tht would be better for me and i will get 5 points or is it nw not existing
where i can do tht in melbourne

vj said...

plz reply my queries

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Vj

i will score 7 bands in ielts than i will get 25 points thn i will make 120 points i have already scored 7.5 later i will also get because i dont have any other option

Yes thats correct. You need to score 7 in all bands of IELTS to score 25 points. If you score less then 7 in any band you will not be able to claim 25 points.


and asked you about age i sent also one more post abt my age turning 30 on feb2012 and my course finishing on july 2011 can i apply after the course without 900 hrs experience coz thn i will be having 120 marks if i score 7 bands

I have explained to you several times that you do not need any work experience if you are doing an Australian Masters degree in IT being assessed by ACS.

You will only need work experience if you want to claim points for MODL.

Please do not ask the same question again and again.


nd is there any other way of covering these 10 points

Yes you can score extra points by clearing the exam for an interpreter or translator in one of Australia's 28 national languages and gain 5 points.

You can also claim extra points for spouse skills or regional study.


and if i do community language course tht would be better for me and i will get 5 points or is it nw not existing
where i can do tht in melbourne


Please visit the website of

http://www.naati.com.au/

for information related to language skills in one of Australia's 28 national languages.

Kind Regards

Junaid

dumbo beetchaz said...

ello,
my name is reena .I have done bachelor in technology electronics in 2004 and after that i started working in a bank .now i am planning to do master of science(network system) from swinburne university.Is this course suitable for getting a PR please help.
Are there some courses in internetworking(LAN,WAN,Routing) in melbourne good for PR in which after my master i apply for PR
i searched a lot but i could find only swinburne wid networking
plz help me in this section also.suggest me some colleges in melbourne with networking course.
.plz do reply.
thanks and regards
REENA

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Reena

Is this course suitable for getting a PR please help.

I need to know the following before I can tell whether it is suitable for PR or not

1. What is the CRICOS code of the course you are enrolling in?

2. Is the course accredited by ACS?

3. Is the course at least 92 weeks long?

4. What is the profession on the SOL that you will nominate to apply for PR? Is that profession closely related to the course you plan to enroll in?


Are there some courses in internetworking(LAN,WAN,Routing) in melbourne good for PR in which after my master i apply for PR

Unfortunately, I am not an educational consultant. So I am unable to answer your question. Find a course and let me know. I can then tell you whether your studying in the course will make you eligible for PR or not.


i searched a lot but i could find only swinburne wid networking
plz help me in this section also.suggest me some colleges in melbourne with networking course.


As I said, I am not an educational consultant.

Kind Regards

Junaid

dumbo beetchaz said...

hello ,
its reena here
the course which i selected is
master of networks form MIT melbourne
cricos code is 062229K
Duration (Weeks): 104

other one is
master of science (network system)
swinburne university
CRICOS Course Code: 054543M
duration 104 weeks
plz tell me if these require 900 hr experince after the course

dumbo beetchaz said...

both are accredited by acs as professional course
and is related to profession in SOl list

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Dumbo

Both courses make you eligible for PR.

But make sure that you score 120 points or above other wise you will not get the PR.

Kind Regards

Junaid

sudeep said...

hi
surrently i m doind my bachelor in information technology from central queensland university..its just been two months i am here in sydney..so how should i go so that i can get my pr after completing my study..can u show me the path way so that it will be easy for me later when i apply for pr..i will be really greatful if u can help me than u

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Sudeep

Please provide me the CRICOS number of the course you are enrolled in and then I will be able to help you out.

Mean while you can also read the following link which will help you out to understand the process.

http://immigrate-to-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/z-immigration-guide-for-international.html


Kind Regards

Junaid

imran said...

hi, junaid how r u, this is imran bro i have to ask that i have been in australia since 4 months i am doing certificate four iin networking after that what i have to do in order to get PR i am 27 years and 4 months, plz guide me my aunt(khala) is in melbourne and she is a citizen can she help me getting points???? and how muxch points can i get with her help plz guide me .
Thanks alot

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Imran

Please provide the following information before I can answer your question.

The CRICOS code of the course you are studying in?

Yes your aunt (mother's sister) can sponsor you. You will get 5 points for your aunt being an Australian citizen.

Once you have completed two yrs of study, you should apply for 886 visa.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Smita said...

Hi,

So my understanding is that the earliest one can apply for the 485 graduate skilled visa is AFTER the completion of the 2-year study requirement.

Then, I assume it takes, say, a month to six months for the 485 to be processed and approved. In that interim time period, if I were to gain employment with an Australian company (i.e. as I wait for the 485 to be approved), how can I legally work in Australia?

Would I automatically be given a bridging visa while my 485 is being processed and would the bridging visa allow me to work in Australia?

Thanks.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Smita

Yes you can only apply for a graduate skilled visa 485 only after fulfilling the requirement of 2 yr rule.

Then, I assume it takes, say, a month to six months for the 485 to be processed and approved. In that interim time period, if I were to gain employment with an Australian company (i.e. as I wait for the 485 to be approved), how can I legally work in Australia?If you are inside Australia and apply for another visa or extension of the current visa, then you are granted a bridging visa which lets you live and work in Australia until the visa application outcome.

Would I automatically be given a bridging visa while my 485 is being processed and would the bridging visa allow me to work in Australia?Yes. Correct. You will be given a bridging visa and you have unlimited work rights on a bridging visa.

Kind Regards

Junaid

shankar reddy said...

hi,i am in processing 4 diploma in IT(s/w development & multimedia) which is 2yr course.i wanted 2 know that its a PR course or not and how many pts i will get 4 dat course.kindly help me.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Shankar

i wanted 2 know that its a PR course or not

Courses are not PR courses.

You need to fulfill a series of requirements to be able to apply for PR. Simply studying a particular course doesnt mean you can apply for PR and get PR.

You need to fulfill the following main criteria to be able to apply for PR.

1. Study in a course closely related to a profession on the SOL.

2. Study for at least 92 academic weeks.

3. Study in a CRICOS certified course.

4. If you study multiple courses, all courses must be closely related to the profession you nominate on the SOL.

5. Last of all you also must fulfill the other criteria like English language requirements and scoring 120 points to get PR.

and how many pts i will get 4 dat course

You dont get points for studying a course.

You get points for nominating a profession.

For example after completing your degree you can nominate a 60 point profession and obtain a positive skills assessment from Australian computer society an IT professional.

Read this post to clarify your misconceptions.


http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2007/10/z-immigration-guide-for-international.html

Kind Regards

Junaid

waqas said...

hey junaid,,
iam waqas,,from melboruen,,iam just getting into charles sturt university in bachelor of information technology,,i can find this course on acs website,,but i cannot find its points,,??so how can i check the points for it,,bcoz ive already finished my tafe in advanced diploma of computer system engineerin,,good education but shit points though,,lol.now i wanna make sure tht i get PR after the degree,,

regards,

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Waqas

ive already finished my tafe in advanced diploma of computer system engineerin,,good education but shit points though

How do you know how many points you are getting for your diploma? Was the diploma a two yr diploma?

If it was a two yr diploma, you can contact ACS and ask them if you can get a positive skills assessment for a profession on SOL based on your two yr diploma.


i can find this course on acs website,,but i cannot find its points,,?

The course does not have any points. It is the profession on the SOL which you nominate that has points.

So you should be asking the question that whether you will get a positive skill assessment for a 60 point profession based on the degree you plan to do?

Now will your degree get you a positive skills assessment in a 60 point profession or not? That is some thing you need to check with ACS.

Only they can tell whether they will give you a positive skills assessment for a 60 point profession based on your degree or not.

Give them the name of the degree and the profession you plan to nominate and then ask whether they will give you a positive skills assessment in that profession or not.

Kind Regards

Junaid

waqas said...

thanks for takin out time forme..

i dont really know how many points do i have ,,but ive been to those lawyer cum visa agents,and they said i got only fourty points for this course,,nd cant apply for nutthin..yes it was a two years course,,and i sort of have paid work experience in my field,,like ive beeen working as a network technician in an employment agency,,

nd the other thing i dont really understand this nomination thing,,
like for computers,,i cant really see a profession tht i can nominate..??a little help might help..lol


and also i found this criteria for acs ; they say ;

You may apply for a skills assessment if:
• you are a current Member (MACS) of the ACS; or
• you possess any of the following Australian qualifications or
overseas qualifications and relevant experience assessed as
comparable:
– *Bachelor (undergraduate) degree or higher qualification
with a major in IT plus 4-years of relevant professional IT
work experience;
– Bachelor (undergraduate) degree or higher qualification
with a minor in IT plus 6-years of relevant professional IT
work experience;
– (AQF) Advanced Diploma (3 years full-time)
or (AQF) Diploma (2 years full-time) in IT plus
6-years of relevant professional IT work experience.
*Recent graduates of an Australian university who fall within
the first category do not require experience.


so what i can understand from this is tht i cannot get assessed on my diplomas base..and if i do an undergrad degree then ill be eligible for assessment,,but still for how many points i dont know..
plz correct me if iam wrong,,,and also the degree iam getting in "bachelor of info tech(network engineering)"but it says in criteria minor in IT,,so do u think this course can be of any help..ill rather ask these question to the acs ppl..lol//but just for ur opnion,,

lets say i fall under the seconding category,,and i can manage to bring work experience from my home country of abt three orfour years,,and ive been workin ere in IT for abt 1.5 years.. how do u see my chances then..??

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Waqas

As I explained earlier, why dont you ask ACS yourself that based on your current qualifications, can you nominate profession

Computing Professionals – (nec) 2231-79 Y 60 ACS

or not?

If yes then apply for immigration. If not then do a bachelors degree in computing or IT related course.

and if i do an undergrad degree then ill be eligible for assessment,,but still for how many points i dont know..

As I explained earlier, you do not get points for doing a degree or a course. You get points for having a positive skills assessment in a profession on the SOL.

So first choose a degree and then check with ACS that whether you will get a positive skills assessment for profession Computing Professionals – (nec) 2231-79 Y 60 ACS or not?

Kind Regards

Junaid

waqas said...

infact i did ask acs ppl ,,
i told em the degree i want to study ; bachelor of It and also i nominated the same occupation as u stated..and thats is what they told me ;


The University degree you are/have studying will be assessed on its IT content.



We are unable to assist your claim by offering advice on subjects you have or want to take under any circumstances.

We are also unable to advise you on your chances of success.


iam gonna ask them again tht they already know the contents bcoz the course is accredited by them,,

nd for the diploma it seems tht i cannot apply bcoz they said u need to have 6 years of experience..well thanks for your advice,,now i atleast know how it works,,and for professional courses their aint no points,,


cheers,,

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Waqas

Yes you are right. Why can the ACS simply not tell you in a Yes or NO answer about the course when they already know what the course contents are and the course have been accredited by them.

Write a letter to them in proper English and tell them that the course has already been accredited by them and ACS knows what the contents are. So they should tell you what the outcome would be.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Anonymous said...

Hello, your blog is very useful...thanks for such a great blog.
now, I wish to explain you my case, to see if I can get some orientation. I came to Australia on a student visa 10 months ago. Now, I have my skill assessed and meet all the basic requierements of Age, Occupation, English, and others. The situation is that I my experience of 3 out of the last 4 years has just expired, so I lost these 10 points. Now my points are 110.
I only have one month to apply, otherwise my recent work experience will be also expired. So, I will apply being concious of 110 points. then, I will attend to a new IELTS to obtain 25 points, instead of the 15 points I already have.

1st scenarium: Do you think, that I will be allowed to submit a higher ielts score in say, 2 months... so it gets there before the assessment, so I can reach 120 points?
I asked a migration agent and she said that I could do it, but im not 100% sure.

2nd scenarium:
If I my application goes to the pool, do I have to wait 2 years until the passmark is lower, or can I try to obtain extra points to rise my application (after being already in the pool). say, getting australian qualifications, or a better ielts, or australian work experience...

thanks :)

Andres

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Andres

The first thing I need to know is whether you want to apply for 175 or 885 visa?

175 visa is an offshore visa which requires work experience.

885 visa is an onshore visa which requires two yr study in an Australian university.

Once you let me know which visa you are interested in applying then I will be able to give you a further answer.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

hi junaid,
actually i have a query about my PR in australia.
actually i di a course in community services in melbourne but i dint completed it yet but the duration for the course has reached its end. if i have to complete the course i hve to study for one more year in community services .what are the current prospects for getting PR in community services.
iis it right for me to continue my course in community welfare nd study for one more year.
or
i should study in some different course like cookery .
i was working as a chef for the past two yrs here in melbourne
so i just need a clarifation on few points

one is whether i shud continue pursuing ma course in welfare
is there any possibility to gt PR in community welfare
or
i should do a cookery course as i hold 2 year experience in cookery
please suggest me the right thing what shoulkd i do to get the PR

dumbo beetchaz said...

dear juanid,
i am in australia for past two years
.i have four year study visa for commuinity welfare plus degree in community welfare
now my two years have crossed but still i am unable to complete the diploma because i dint attended the training.now i have to repeat one year again to complete my diploma.
i want to ask you like if i change my course to automotive do i need to apply again for my visa and show funds again or just i change my course

1. can i change my course as my visa is of four years
2.what i need to change the course ,do i need to apply again or simply i change the course.
3. is this possible that i complete my diploma and i apply for PR widout doing my degree.
please clarify on all points
i am very confused at the moment ...
i want to change the course but dont know whether i have to apply again for visa

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@VJ

what are the current prospects for getting PR in community services.
iis it right for me to continue my course in community welfare nd study for one more year.


There is a profession on the SOL named Community Worker 2512-13. You can contact VETASSESS and confirm if they will give you a positive skills assessment based on your Australian qualifications.

So its up to you if you want to complete the course or not. Remember that the profession is a 50 points profession. You need to score 120 points to get PR on a 885 visa. If the profession is on the list of a state then you can also apply for 886 visa which is a 100 points visa.


i was working as a chef for the past two yrs here in melbourne
so i just need a clarifation on few points


If you have been working as a cook then why dont you obtain a positive skills assessment for a Chef from TRA and apply for PR based on your work experience as a cook. Profession Cook 4513-11.


one is whether i shud continue pursuing ma course in welfare
is there any possibility to gt PR in community welfare


The choice is yours. Community worker is a 50 points profession.

Cook is a 60 points profession. What is your points score in both cases. Calculate it and then make your decision.


i should do a cookery course as i hold 2 year experience in cookery
please suggest me the right thing what shoulkd i do to get the PR


If you have 2 yrs work experience as a cook then apply for 175 offshore immigration. Dont waste time in community welfare course.

Obtain a positive skills assessment as a Cook for the 60 point profession and then apply for PR.

Please note that at the time of application you should have 1 yr of work experience in the past 2 yrs.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Dumbo BeetChaz

1. can i change my course as my visa is of four years

You can change your course or course provider but you need to inform the department of immigration that you have changed your course.

2.what i need to change the course ,do i need to apply again or simply i change the course.

You might need to apply for the student visa again. But check with the department.

is this possible that i complete my diploma and i apply for PR widout doing my degree.

You need to study for two yrs in a CRICOS code which is closely related to a profession on the SOL.

You also need to obtain a positive skills assessment for the profession you nominate on the SOL.

So yes you can do a diploma and apply for PR provided the diploma is a 2 yrs diploma and you can obtain a positive skills assessment.

Kind Regards

Junaid

vj said...

thanks for the information junaid,
please clarify on these points

1.if i apply for offshore immigration thn i hve to apply from india or i cn apply frm australia
2.i have done work as a chef for the past two years but not paid taxes so my employer will not give me the experience certificate .what should i do in that case if i donot get an experience letter from my employer.
3.if he gives me the experience letter and i get a job letter from him too in that case can i apply for PR without completeling my community welfare course providing my vetassess comes out to be positive.

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@VJ

.if i apply for offshore immigration thn i hve to apply from india or i cn apply frm australia

Yes you can apply for offshore immigration while being in Australia.


i have done work as a chef for the past two years but not paid taxes so my employer will not give me the experience certificate .what should i do in that case if i donot get an experience letter from my employer.

You need to prove your employment and the department normally expects tax returns and pay slips as evidence of work.

You can still lodge your tax. Go to a tax agent and lodge your tax.


if he gives me the experience letter and i get a job letter from him too in that case can i apply for PR without completeling my community welfare course providing my vetassess comes out to be positive.

Yes. You can apply for PR but you will need to leave Australia once your student visa finishes as you will not get a bridging visa.

Bridging visa is only given to onshore applicants.

Kind Regards

Junaid

phoenix said...

Hi Junaid,
Thanks for such an informative blog. Well i want to explain you my case, as the more i consult with lawyers, the more they variate in terms of their opinions. I have done 4years Mechanical Engineering from India and have worked for a year in relevant field. Then i came to Australia in July 2009, for my Masters in Engg. Management from Melbourne Univ.Its a one year course, so i am persuing another postgraduate diploma in Business to complete 2years requirement. I am planning to get my Indian Engineering degree accessed by Engg Society Australia. I do have 8.0 bands in my IELTS. So,after getting my Indian degree accessed,One year Work Exp(Indian) ,valid IELTS, 2Years of Australian Education am i valid to apply for my PR? Please let me know am i on the right track....Wait for your reply asap...
With regards,
Sam

Junaid N. Sahibzada said...

@Phoenix

I am planning to get my Indian Engineering degree accessed by Engg Society Australia. I do have 8.0 bands in my IELTS. So,after getting my Indian degree accessed,One year Work Exp(Indian) ,valid IELTS, 2Years of Australian Education am i valid to apply for my PR?

You can apply for both offshore and onshore permanent residency.

For offshore migration you need to have a bachelors degree and at least one year of work experience in your relevant field in the PREVIOUS 12 MONTHS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE LODGING THE APPLICATION.

So make sure that on the day you lodge your offshore application visa subclass 175/176 (you can do it from inside Australia, just the visa class is different), your work experience is still valid1

For onshore migration, you need to have 2 years of Australian qualification in a profession closely related to your nominated profession.

So , once you complete your 2 years of education (which should be closely related to your nominated profession. Make sure that the second business diploma that you are doing is closely related to your nominated profession.), you obtain a positive skills assessment from engineers Australia and then apply for onshore immigration visa subclass 885 or 886.


And before you apply make sure you have enough points for the subclass you are applying.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Hasan A Rasheed said...

hi junaid.... i am hasan rasheed.... i need some information regarding PR .... i did Bachelors in Business Adminstration from pakistan and now i am planing to do Masters of Business Adminstratin with specialization in MANAGMENT ACCOUNTING a programme for 2 years from australia ..... Do my qualification meets the criteria ?? and also MBA in MANAGMENT ACCOUNTING will help me in getting PR ??? thnxxxx

Junaid Noor said...

@Hasan

Do my qualification meets the criteria ??

The criteria for onshore immigration is as following

1) you should have studied for two academic yrs in Australia

2) you should have studied in a course which is closely related to a profession on the Skilled occupation list.

3) You should be able to obtain a positive skills assessment for the profession you want to nominate on the SOL. The skills assessment is issues by the respective skills assessing body.

4) You should have a minimum of 6 in all bands of IELTS.

5) You should lodge a valid application within 6 months of the release of your final results.

6) You should at least have the passing marks for the visa category you are applying for.


The process for Offshore immigration is as follows

You should at least have 1 yrs of work experience as per requirements of the immigration department.

You should have at least X yrs of work experience as per requirements of your assessing body.

You should have a positive skills assessment from your respective assessing body.

You should have at least a score of 6 in all bands of IELTS.

You should score the passing marks in the points test.

You should lodge a valid application.


Now what sort of immigration are you looking for.

Offshore OR Onshore?

Hasan A Rasheed said...

thnxx for the reply junaid ..... please tell me what is offshore and onshore means .... i understand the requirements but what is the difference between them?? and which one is preferable?? and one IMPORTANT thing , i have my specialization in marketing and my friends here in Australia suggests me to come towards accounting side as getting PR while having managment or marketing degree would be difficult infact getting TR would b difficult ..... i m very confused that what to do ??? plzz solve my problem ...... thnxx alot junaid !!!!! regards

Junaid Noor said...

please tell me what is offshore and onshore means

The end result is the same. You get PR at the end of it. But the pathway and process is different for both. Which I explained earlier. One requires that you study in Australia for two yrs and the other requires that you have work experience before you apply.

i understand the requirements but what is the difference between them??

The difference is in the requirements. As explained earlier.

In onshore version you have to study for two yrs. In offshore version you can apply from overseas.


and which one is preferable??

Depends on your circumstances. Can you pay for two year education fees and expenses?


and one IMPORTANT thing , i have my specialization in marketing and my friends here in Australia suggests me to come towards accounting side as getting PR while having managment or marketing degree would be difficult infact getting TR would b difficult ..... i m very confused that what to do ??? plzz solve my problem ...... thnxx alot junaid !!!!! regards


Check the Skilled occupation list and let me know what profession you are planning to nominate as the selected profession for Migration.

The assessing body of every profession has its own requirements. So once i know what profession you are going to nominate, only then I can further inform you.

Hasan A Rasheed said...

I m confused that should i go for accounts field or management or marketing field ..... I have checked the SOL list schedule 3 , in that list no occupation matches the course which i m planing to do i.e MBA ... but the SOL list schedule 4 contains business and marketing managers ...

Puput said...

Hi Jumain..

How are you going?
I recently completed my Bachelor of Engineering Degree with second Class of Honours from The University of Technology, Sydney (UTS). UTS Student told me that there is neither division 1 nor 2 for Bacehelor of Engineering first class honours and second class of honours.

I am planning to apply for visa subclass 885. With my second class honours, will I be eligible for the 15 points "Bachelor Degree with Honours" instead of the 5 points "2 years-degree"??
Thanks

Puput

Junaid Noor said...

@Hassan

I m confused that should i go for accounts field or management or marketing field ..... I have checked the SOL list schedule 3 , in that list no occupation matches the course which i m planing to do i.e MBA ... but the SOL list schedule 4 contains business and marketing managers ...



What profession you plan to nominate after completing your Australian studies?

Lets say you want to nominate profession X, then check the assessing body for profession X. The assessing body for profession x would have its own rules and requirements for issuing a positive skills assessment.

So before you choose X,Y,z, check the rules and requirements of the assessing body.

There is no use studying for two years or nominating a profession if you cannot obtain a positive skills assessment.

please help me out that what course should i choose .... MBA ( accounts ) or MBA ( marketing ) ..... the occupations which in schedule 3 matches a little bit is managment accountant and business analyst .... i also checked Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation (esol) in that list there are some occupations matches directly that are , Marketing Specialist and Managment Comsultant .....

As I said, go and check the website of the assessing body, and see what are the requirements of the assessing body for issuing a positive skills assessment in that particular profession.

If you want to choose marketing manager, then you would go to AIM's website and see what rules they have for giving a positive skills assessment for a marketing manager.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Junaid Noor said...

@Puput

recently completed my Bachelor of Engineering Degree with second Class of Honours from The University of Technology, Sydney (UTS). UTS Student told me that there is neither division 1 nor 2 for Bacehelor of Engineering first class honours and second class of honours.

I am planning to apply for visa subclass 885. With my second class honours, will I be eligible for the 15 points "Bachelor Degree with Honours" instead of the 5 points "2 years-degree"??


I not very much aware of what a honors degree is and what is a division 1 degree.

You will have to check this with some one else.

Kind Regards

Junaid

Aurora said...

I am planning to continue my Masters in Speech & Language Pathology in New Zealand. Can you please tell me what are the appropriate steps that I should take to be eligible for getting a PR in NZ?

Junaid Noor said...

@Aurora

I am not familiar with the immigration system of New Zealand.

So you might want to check with someone who can advise on Kiwi immigration.

Anonymous said...

navreet:
hi, i am doing diploma of nursing and i did my year 12 and year 11 in australia and I have each 7 in ielts. I want to now that after registeration as a RN2 can i apply for PR. Am I eligible or not . HOW MUCH POINTS NEEDED FOR THAT

Junaid Noor said...

@^^

navreet:
hi, i am doing diploma of nursing and i did my year 12 and year 11 in australia and I have each 7 in ielts. I want to now that after registeration as a RN2 can i apply for PR. Am I eligible or not . HOW MUCH POINTS NEEDED FOR THAT


Depends on whether you want to apply for offshore immigration or onshore immigration.

If you are applying for offshore immigration then you need to satisfy the criteria of two yr study in a field which is closely related to the profession you nominate on the SOL.

Also you need to obtain a positive skills assessment from your assessing body.

So to summarize

1. You need to study for two yrs in a course closely related to your nominated profession on SOL.

2. You need to obtain a positive skills assessment from your assessing body.

3. Score the pass marks.

4. Obtain the right score in IELTS.


The above is for on shore immigration.

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Kanwwar said...

Hi I am bcom MBA from India working in commercial refrigeration company after completing MBA from2009 I am handling accounts and sales of this company ,can I file a case for immigration Under visa class 190 please guide me or in some other way kanwwarjaireth@gmail.com