PLEASE NOTE THAT AS OF 23RD MARCH, 2013, International students can no longer directly apply for PR after studying for two years.
The two year rule is still valid in many situations. However, International students should not be tricked into believing that they can get PR just by studying for two years in a degree which is closely related to a profession on the SOL.
Please see the below links.
http://www.immi.gov.au/students/knight/faq-post-study-work-arrangements.htm
http://migrationblog.immi.gov.au/2013/01/10/new-post-study-work-arrangements-and-international-students/
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What is the two year rule?
Its very important to understand the two year rule.
In addition:
These changes benefit students because they allow more flexibility.
What is two academic years?
Examples:
Example 1:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 138 weeks (3 years) and consists of 24 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 8 units per year. In that course, a student will have completed two academic years when they have successfully completed 16 units. That means a student enrolled in that course can be given credit for prior learning for up to 8 units and still complete two academic years study.
Example 2:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement.
A student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years study and may have to complete an additional degree, diploma or trade qualification to meet the two year study requirement.
My case:
Certificate of completion issued to me by UTS at the end of successfull completion of my degree.
Junaid
Migration Agent Registration Number: 0964018
The two year rule is still valid in many situations. However, International students should not be tricked into believing that they can get PR just by studying for two years in a degree which is closely related to a profession on the SOL.
Please see the below links.
http://www.immi.gov.au/students/knight/faq-post-study-work-arrangements.htm
http://migrationblog.immi.gov.au/2013/01/10/new-post-study-work-arrangements-and-international-students/
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What is the two year rule?
Its very important to understand the two year rule.
The two year study requirement was introduced in July 2003 in recognition of the value of Australian study in equipping visa holders to find skilled employment and settle easily in Australia. The intention of the two year study has always been to ensure that applicants for GSM have a strong foundation of at least two academic years study in Australia. The value arises not only from having an Australian qualification but from having substantial exposure to Australian society and culture.
The Government has amended the Regulations to clarify the two year study requirement in response to some confusion surrounding its interpretation.
From 1 September 2007, to meet the two year study requirement, applicants will have to complete one or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications for award by an Australian educational institute as a result of a course or courses:
From 1 September 2007, to meet the two year study requirement, applicants will have to complete one or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications for award by an Australian educational institute as a result of a course or courses:
- Registered on the Commonwealth Register of Institutions and Courses for Overseas Students (CRICOS);
- Completed as a result of at least two academic years’ study;
- Completed in a total of no less than 16 calendar months; and
- That the applicant studied in Australia, while holding a visa that allowed study and for which all instruction was conducted in English.
In addition:
- Students will not be penalised for changing education providers provided they obtain credit for their previous study and this study was in a CRICOS registered course undertaken in an Australian institute while physically present in Australia and in accordance with any visa conditions.
- In line with the National Code 2007, students will also be able to count study undertaken online towards meeting the two year study requirement (up to 25%), if they were in Australia for the duration of that period of study.
These changes benefit students because they allow more flexibility.
What is two academic years?
To demonstrate that you have studied for at least two academic years, you must show that you have completed the equivalent of two years study at 100% of a full-time load. If you are given credit from prior learning it will reduce the amount of study you have completed.
The department will use CRICOS to determine whether a course meets the two year requirement. From 22 October 2007 a course that has a registered duration of 92 weeks will be accepted as a course equating to two academic years of study.
Examples:
- If a student completes a full qualification in a course that is registered as 92 weeks, they will have met the two year study requirement.
- Where a student completes two eligible qualifications, each related to their nominated occupation, that together total at least 92 weeks registration on CRICOS, they will have met the two year study requirement.
- Where a student enrols in a three year full time course, they can be granted recognition of prior learning or credit for up to one year of full-time study and still meet the two year study requirement (as defined above) when they complete the qualification.
- Where a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks a student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years of study. In this situation, the applicant would need to have (or complete) an additional eligible qualification related to their nominated occupation in order to have completed, in total, the required two years of academic study.
- If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks but a student elects to complete the course through accelerated learning, for example through a summer semester of study, the student is considered to have met the two year study requirement if they complete the course in no less than 16 calendar months.
- If a student enrols in a course that would only require 1.5 years to complete full-time but has taken two years to complete, this will not have met the requirement for two years of academic study.
Example 1:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 138 weeks (3 years) and consists of 24 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 8 units per year. In that course, a student will have completed two academic years when they have successfully completed 16 units. That means a student enrolled in that course can be given credit for prior learning for up to 8 units and still complete two academic years study.
Example 2:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement.
A student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years study and may have to complete an additional degree, diploma or trade qualification to meet the two year study requirement.
My case:
I will explain my own example to make things easy for understanding.
You can see the certificate of completion from my university below.
Certificate of completion issued to me by UTS at the end of successfull completion of my degree.
As you can see the certificate shows two things
- The start date and the end date, which is from 28th of Feb, 2005 to 18th of July, 2007. A total of 29 months OR 116 weeks.
- The other important thing mentioned is the "Normal full time duration" of the course which is 4 semester (2 yrs or 52 weeks).
Although I completed the course in an extra 6 months, the actual duration of the course is 2 yrs, NOT 2.5 yrs.
So when the immigration department opens your case file, it will look at two things
1. The official course duration as listed on the CRICOS website. In my case, my course is 104 weeks.
You can check that by clicking on the link for CRICOS website.
You can check that by clicking on the link for CRICOS website.
2. The total duration of the course in a full time load as shown by the certificate of completion on the letter issued to you by your university.
I hope I have cleared the doubts of every one by providing my own example.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Migration Agent Registration Number: 0964018
339 comments:
1 – 200 of 339 Newer› Newest»My course is only for 1.5 years and that how is it. however its accounting and its registered as 108 weeks not even 92. besides, i have to repeat 2 subjects. so i will end up studying for another 4 semster. do you think i can apply like this for a PR? and there is another option is to enrol in another master degree afterwords then exit after one semster and recive a certificate. will this count for pr? THANKX
@^^
I am not sure how can your course duration be 1.5 years (78 weeks) and 92 weeks at the same time?
I am unable to understand what you are trying to say.
A course cannot be 78 weeks and 92 weeks at the same time.
Please mention your query in understandable English so I can correctly answer you.
Last of all, you have to understand that all your education has to be 92 weeks FULL TIME.
2 subjects per semester is not considered FULL time. You must be enrolled in at least 18 credit hours per semester (normally three subjects) throughout your education in Australia, for being eligible for PR.
Hello, I hope you can enlighten me on this. I'm not sure if I would qualify for the two year rule. I studied in Melbourne from 1998 - 2000 and got an Advanced Diploma of Electronic Design and Interactive Multimedia from the Chisholm Institute of TAFE. I came back to my country afterwards and worked for 3years. Then went to UK and worked for another 3 years. Not all of these 6 years were related to my field. Am I elligible to apply for a Temporary Residence to work in Australia now even if I finished this course in 2000? If so, how do I proceed? What forms do I need to submit?
Thank you very much for your time.
***I'm not sure if I would qualify for the two year rule.
The two year rule applies to those people who are applying for PR on the basis of having studied in Australia for 2 years as an International student.
One of the several conditions for applying for PR on the basis of being an international student in Australia is that you MUST apply for PR within 6 months of the completion of your degree that is when your result is announced officially by your education provider.
Since it has been almost 8 years since your result was announced, you cannot use your education between 1998-2000 as a basis for having studied in Australia.
However, you can claim points for your Australian education while applying for another migration visa like an offshore migration mentioned on my blog.
***Not all of these 6 years were related to my field.
That can be a potential issue because if you are applying for PR on the basis of being an IT professional, you must have 4 years of experience to get a positive assessment from ACS. So as long as you can justify yourself to ACS and get a positive assessment for migration purposes, you can apply for an offshore migration visa.
Since you have studied in Australia, you can use that to get a positive skill assessment from ACS and use your work experience as well.
***Am I elligible to apply for a Temporary Residence to work in Australia now even if I finished this course in 2000?
Temporary work visas are only given to citizens of certain countries. You can check whether you can get a temporary work visa from the Australian embassy in your country.
Your course which you did in 2000 has nothing to do with temporary work visas. Temporary work visas are a whole different ball game.
**If so, how do I proceed? What forms do I need to submit?
As I said, temporary work visas are different from Permanent Residence visas, so I cannot guide you on that.
Its up to the Australian embassy of your country to give you a temporary work visas.
Hope this helps.
Hello, im quite confused here actually, i was wondering if you could clarify something for me. Im doing a Masters by research, and its registered for 18 months. Im supposed to submit my thesis by the end of these 18 months but naturally the examination process would follow and i will have to extend my student visa for another 6 months in order to wait for the end of the examination. So my studies will add up to 2 years. Besides, Masters by research is different from Masters by coursework in that we dont get any time off in summer or any other holidays except for 4 weeks whenever we want, so during 18 months we actually study just as much as coursework students during 24. And there are no units to be taken or anything, just working on the thesis from the very beginning till the end. So my question is, will i not be eligible to apply for PR? Thanks in advance!
***Im doing a Masters by research, and its registered for 18 months.
Which means 72 weeks (18 X 4= 72)
****Im supposed to submit my thesis by the end of these 18 months but naturally the examination process would follow and i will have to extend my student visa for another 6 months in order to wait for the end of the examination.
You did a 18 months degree in 24 months, that's your fault. In the eyes of the case officer, it is still a 72 weeks degree, not 92 weeks.
***So my studies will add up to 2 years.
Yeah, that's the time you took to complete the degree. 2 years was not the official time.
****Besides, Masters by research is different from Masters by coursework in that we dont get any time off in summer or any other holidays except for 4 weeks whenever we want, so during 18 months we actually study just as much as coursework students during 24.
The 18 month official period is stated keeping in mind all of that.
****And there are no units to be taken or anything, just working on the thesis from the very beginning till the end. So my question is, will i not be eligible to apply for PR? Thanks in advance!
You can actually study even on weekends and consider it as a part of the 24 months, but for the immigration department what is important is the official duration of the course as registered with the department of education.
If I am registred for a MBA which is CROCOS registred for 104 weeks and recieved credit for one subject out of twelve, will I be fulfilling the 2 year study rule ?
Shaym
Yes, you will fulfil the two year requirement as you will still do the course in 104 weeks. Make sure you remain a full time student for duration of your course.
Also please check if your profession is on MODL/SOL or not.
You may be fulfilling the two year requirement but if your profession is not on MODL or SOL then there is no use for applying as you wont get the pass mark unless you get extra points some other way.
hi junaid,
i have completed BIT course from CQU Brisbane, which is registered as 156 weeks in CRICOS, but i got 50% exemptions in that course 'coz of my previous studies in india, so i completed it in just 3 full time semesters, so that its 78 weeks full time, now i m going to do MIT, which is 104 weeks course.
my question is can i apply for PR after my first semester in MIT?
please reply me back...
^^
*******i have completed BIT course from CQU Brisbane, which is registered as 156 weeks in CRICOS, but i got 50% exemptions in that course 'coz of my previous studies in india, so i completed it in just 3 full time semesters, so that its 78 weeks full time, now i m going to do MIT, which is 104 weeks course.*********
No you cannot, because if you read the rules, it says that all time period spent in australia while studying full time must result in a degree or multiple degrees.
You cannot jump to another degree and apply for PR while you are still studying it.
Just completing 2 years of education is not the point. completing the degrees is what matters in 2 years.
What you can do is that instead of doing the complete masters degree, just do the Diploma for one year and then apply for PR.
Please note that before taking my advice you must consult a professional lawyer regarding my last advice, as rules keep on changing.
but wat about my exemptions, will there be any problems with them... people say that according to new rules, i can not apply for pr, 'coz i have got exemptions for my indian diploma... is dat true???
********but wat about my exemptions, will there be any problems with them... people say that according to new rules, i can not apply for pr, 'coz i have got exemptions for my indian diploma... is dat true???*******
As long as you fulfil the following criteria
1. The total amount of time studying in Australia equals 2 academic years.
AND
2. Each of your enrolment in a new degree resulted in the completion of that degree/diploma.
You can apply for PR.
hi,
I am currently a master student in accounting and finance which is a 2 year course. i have already completed one year of study at my current university. i plan to change my education provider and be enrolled in a 1.5 years course called master of professional accounting. if i do go to another university, it will take me one year to complete the master in professional accounting. If we count the year i already spent at my current university plus the year i will spend at the other uni, that will add up to 2 years of study. Do u think i will be eligible to apply for the Pr for changing to a 2 years course to 1.5 years at a different university?
@Eric
***I am currently a master student in accounting and finance which is a 2 year course. i have already completed one year of study at my current university. i plan to change my education provider and be enrolled in a 1.5 years course called master of professional accounting. if i do go to another university, it will take me one year to complete the master in professional accounting. If we count the year i already spent at my current university plus the year i will spend at the other uni, that will add up to 2 years of study. Do u think i will be eligible to apply for the Pr for changing to a 2 years course to 1.5 years at a different university?***
I am not sure which university are you at now. An Australian university?
When you graduate from your university and apply for residency, the immigration department will ask for a letter from your university saying that you have completed your degree. That letter will show the amount of time you took to complete your degree.
Since you only have one degree and that degree is officially registered as 1.5 years, you will not be able to fulfil the 2 year requirement.
Although, you have spent two years studying in Australia, ultimately you were awarded a degree which is officially registered as 1.5 years course.
The best way would be to continue the same course you are in, as it is officially a two year degree.
yes the universities are in australia. I tough i will be also required to submit a statement of ny current university that the course is registered as a 2 years course. So basically 2 staementtses that i completed my degree in a program of 1.5 years and another one that i studied one year in a 2 years course..
Hello,
I'm very interested in applying for Australian Imigration by choosing study as a pathway! I've recently completed a 4 years bachelors degree in business administration (honours) with HRM as a Major from Bahria University, Islamabad, Pakistan. I've been looking at the make-up of the 120 points needed ultimately to be eligible for immigration and understand most of the rules. However, the 2 year rule is somewhat confusing!
I'm interested in applying for the 2 year Masters of Business Advanced program at the University of Queensland and want to complete that degree with only one majors which is human resource management (by taking advanced level courses in the same major). The same degree is also offered by the Brisbane Graduate School of Management at QUT.
However, I was recently told by someone that with the change in the 2 year rule (September 1st, 2007), applying for such degrees no longer makes me eligible to apply for immigration at a later stage! I've been told that the new regulations demand that I first complete a 1 year diploma course and then go for a 1 year masters degree, and only then will I be able to meet the 2 year study requirement. Is that really the case? Could you please clariy this situation!!!
I've also gone through the requirement of completing 92 weeks of study and I think that a 2 years M.Bus Advanced degree should fulfil that criterion. I'm also pasting the links for degrees that I'm interested in, below.
http://www.uq.edu.au/study/program.html?acad_prog=5323
http://www.courses.qut.edu.au/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Courses.woa/wa/selectMajorFromMain?courseID=5273
I'd be grateful if you could clarify this situation because I need to start applying for admission asap as the processing of applications will take some time as well.
Thanks,
Shakeel
@Shakeel
Both the links you provided take me to a degree which is registered full time as 2 years.
But my dear, the question is, what profession are you going to chose from the SOL or the MODL, which is CLOSELY related to these degrees you are interested in, after completing the degrees in 2 years?
I don't think so there is any profession right now on the SOL or the MODL which is closely related to the degrees you want to do.
Just doing a 2 years degree is not what gets you Permanent residency.
What is also required is that you do a degree which is closely related to a profession on the MODL or the SOL. Which is what the Australian gov is interested in. Because if you do a degree in some thing which is not required in Australia, then whats the use of your studying 2 years.
Please check the MODL and SOL and figure out an occupation in demand which is closely related to the degree you aspire to do. Then go and check the website of the assessing authority which will give you a positive skills assessment for your degree saying "that yes this person has got the skills which are in demand and he is fit for the profession XYZ listed on the MODL or SOL."
MODL = Most on demand list
SOL = Skilled occupation List
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Eric
*****yes the universities are in australia. I tough i will be also required to submit a statement of my current university that the course is registered as a 2 years course. So basically 2 staementtses that i completed my degree in a program of 1.5 years and another one that i studied one year in a 2 years course****
@Eric
When you finish you degree, your university will only issue the statement saying "Eric was enrolled in a 1.5 years degree which he completed in 1 year due to prior exemptions"
When you go to your older university, and ask for a letter of completion, they will not give you a letter of completion since you left them in the middle and didnt complete any degree.
So officially, you completed a degree which is 1.5 yrs. Although you took 2 years to complete it.
Thats what the 2 yrs rule explain.
hi
i would be very thankful if some one can clarify this issue for me:
recently i had a master degree in IT
from UNSW it was 1year course.
now i am planning to study
diploma or advance diploma in IT for period of 52 weeks just to meet the two year study requirement is this will be count?
meaning can i go from master to diploma?
i am interested in this course:
http://cricos.dest.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=62467
many thanks in advance
@******
recently i had a master degree in IT from UNSW it was 1year course.
now i am planning to study
diploma or advance diploma in IT for period of 52 weeks just to meet the two year study requirement is this will be count?
meaning can i go from master to diploma?
**************
Ans 1. Yes you can do a diploma of one year by studying full time. Its not necessary you complete a degree which is normally of 1.5 or 2 yrs.
Ans 2: As long as the diploma you are enrolling in is "CLOSELY RELATED" to the earlier degree you did
AND
You study in the diploma full time for one year
AND
You complete the diploma
AND
Your diploma + earlier degree are CLOSELY RELATED to the profession you have chosen on the SOL.
Then you are eligible to apply for PR.
You still have to achieve the pass marks for being granted a residency visa.
dear Junaid
thank you for your response it really was helpful.
i was wondering if the two courses the one i did(Master IT E-commerce systems)
and the one i am planning to do(Advance diploma IT network security) are closely related?
and how i can determine they are closely related or who will do?
many thanks for your help
********
i was wondering if the two courses the one i did(Master IT E-commerce systems)and the one i am planning to do(Advance diploma IT network security) are closely related?
and how i can determine they are closely related or who will do?******
Yes these two courses are closely related as your skills for these particular degrees would be assessed by the same body that is ACS and not two different bodies.
Hi.. i plan to study master in australia and want to get the PR. But i still confuse about "The two year rule". I apply in UTS, the length of study is 4 semester, and i can apply for up to 4 subjects recognition prior learning of 16 subjects. And i think i will apply for 2 subjects only. it means, at the end of semester i will study for 3 subjects,( semester 1: 3 subject,semester 2&3: 4 subjects, semester 4: 3 subjects) is it eligible to apply PR?
and do you know what is the meaning of the bold sentence ? (i took from the two year rule immgration website)
"Where a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks a student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years of study. In this situation, the applicant would need to have (or complete) an additional eligible qualification related to their nominated occupation in order to have completed, in total, the required two years of academic study."
thankss.. for the answers :)
@Cicillia
""Where a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks a student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years of study. In this situation, the applicant would need to have (or complete) an additional eligible qualification related to their nominated occupation in order to have completed, in total, the required two years of academic study.""
I am a little unsure about your case.
As the paragraph you yourself quoted says that if you take prior exemption, you will have to take extra courses to make up for the courses you got exemption for.
I would suggest you contact a professional lawyer to discuss your case.
www.auslead.com would be one lawyer which I would recommend as I myself hire his services.
mates, i am just wondering about my points in my course that is Advance diploma in Accountancy...
should i want work experience after 2 years
^^^
******mates, i am just wondering about my points in my course that is Advance diploma in Accountancy...
should i want work experience after 2 years*********
I am not sure what your question is. Please state your question in clearly and I would be happy to answer.
ooppps sorry
i am doing advance diploma in accounting .. i am just wondering about that is in this course can we achieve PR. if yes , then just wondering about do i require work experience.can you pls tell me how much points this course is having after finishing. i am under 25 years.
if i get 7 bands in each module in ielts..do then i meet with required points of PR
**** i am doing advance diploma in accounting .. i am just wondering about that is in this course can we achieve PR.*****
Diploma is normally of one year. You need to have studied for two years in an Australian university while in Australia, to be eligible for applying for PR. Where are you doing your degree from?
****if yes , then just wondering about do i require work experience.****
That depends on how many points you can claim. Use the points calculator listed on my blog to calculate your points.
****can you pls tell me how much points this course is having after finishing.****
Which course? Which uni? Please give complete information. With half cooked questions I can only give you half cooked and inaccurate answers.
****i am under 25 years.
if i get 7 bands in each module in ielts..do then i meet with required points of PR*****
You get 25 points for 7 in all bands of IELTS and 30 points for your age. There are lots of others things to consider before I can tell how many points you can get.
Use the points calculator to have an idea of how many points you get.
hai.. i found this page about 2 year rule.. i hope it can help u all who still confused with the 2 years rule.. like me.. :)
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled
/general-skilled-migration
/2-year-study.htm
i have questions..
"If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement."
my questions is.. 6 units per year means 6 subjects per year? or any calculation for calculate the units? thanks for the answer
*****my questions is.. 6 units per year means 6 subjects per year? or any calculation for calculate the units? thanks for the answer*****
You should verify that from your university as different universities have different standards.
Ask your university as to what is one unit considered.
Kind Regards
Junaid
my course is of two year
including certificate 3 and certificate 4 with advance diploma in last sem..
course is Advance diploma in accounting in swinburne university of technology... nope i am not doing degree here...
****my course is of two year
including certificate 3 and certificate 4 with advance diploma in last sem..*****
If your course is of two years, then you can apply for Permanent residency. Provided you do not take any exemptions.
*****course is Advance diploma in accounting in swinburne university of technology... nope i am not doing degree here...******
You have to complete the 2 years degree, full time while being physically in Australia.
Kind Regards
Junaid
can u tell how much points i am having in my course
****
can u tell how much points i am having in my course*****
Courses do not have points. Occupations on SOL and MODL have points.
The course you do should be closely related to profession listed on the SOL or the MODL. Then you can get 60 or 70 points.
So your question should be whether the course you are doing is closely related to MODL or SOL?
If you are not sure about things, I can refer you to a lawyer who can help you out.
Send me your email address.
DEAR JUNAID,
i have applied to uts,sydney for the masters of business in accounting and finance it is a 1.5 yrs course....how much points does this course carry....and would i be able to apply for temporary resident visa after this course.......and if i dont
or i do..... after this if i study a graduate certificate course in accounting and finance which is for 6 months would i be able to qualify for the 2 yr rule and apply for the pr......i am from india and i am 20 yrs old...your advice would be really helpful.....
ankit
DEAR JUNAID,
i have applied to uts
for the masters of business in accounting and finance course for the july 2008 session.....its a 1.5 yrs course....how much points does this course carry and would i be able to apply for the temporary resident visa after this course is completed...and if i further study and acquire a graduate certificate in accnting and finance which is for 6 months would i be able to fulfill the condition of th 2 yr rule then.....ur advice would be really helpful....
Ankit
*****
DEAR JUNAID,
i have applied to uts
for the masters of business in accounting and finance course for the july 2008 session.....its a 1.5 yrs course....how much points does this course carry****
As I mentioned earlier and I am repeating again over here. It is not your course which carries points. It is the CLOSELY RELATED Profession related to your degree on SOL/MODL which carries points. So after your degree if you chose profession A, which is closely related with your degree, and is listed on the SOL/MODL, then check how many points that profession has. Most professions on SOL have 60 points and most professions on MODL have 70 points.
But at the end of the day it comes to the course you enlist is as you will be matching your degree with one of the professions on the SOL or MODL.
Plus your degree is also of one and a half year which should be 2 years instead. So you have to enroll in another 6 months to complete the 2 years requirement.
Read my post regarding immigration for international students which explains the whole process in detail.
*******and would i be able to apply for the temporary resident visa after this course is completed..
********
No, as you are enrolled in a 1.5 years degree, you cannot benefit from the temporary graduate skilled visa which is explained below.
However, you might explore other options such as State territory nominated , STNI and TR. I am not fully sure of how it works and it would be good to contact a lawyer for it. Let me know and I can refer you to one.
Skilled – Graduate (Temporary) visa (subclass 485)
1. About this Visa
2. How this Visa Works
3. Eligibility
4. Obligations
5. Applying for this Visa
About this visa
This visa allows overseas students who do not meet the criteria for a permanent General Skilled Migration visa to remain in Australia for 18 months to gain skilled work experience or improve their English language skills.
As a holder of this visa, you may apply for permanent residence at any time if you are able to meet the passmark on the General Skilled Migration points test.
Who is this visa for?
This visa is for you if you are an overseas student who:
* is under 45 years of age
* in the last six (6) months has completed an eligible qualification(s) as a result of at least two (2) years study in Australia
* is unable to meet the passmark on the points test for the Skilled – Independent (Residence) visa
* has the skills and qualifications that meet the Australian standard for an occupation on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) and your nominated occupation is classified as either a 60 point occupation or a 50 point occupation.
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.and if i further study and acquire a graduate certificate in accnting and finance which is for 6 months would i be able to fulfill the condition of th 2 yr rule then.....ur advice would be really helpful....
Ankit********
Yes then you will have fulfilled the pre-requisites for the two year rule.
Kind Regards
Junaid
if i complete my course that is masters of business in accnting and finance i.e 1.5 yrs.... after 1.5 years would i be given time to look for work or my visa would end....and if i complete my masters degree first then can i do my graduate certificate after that....and then wld it complete the 2 yr rule....
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if i complete my course that is masters of business in accnting and finance i.e 1.5 yrs.... after 1.5 years would i be given time to look for work or my visa would end*****
You will not be able to apply for the graduate temporary visa because you have only studied for 18 months.
*******and if i complete my masters degree first then can i do my graduate certificate after that****
Yes you can.
******....and then wld it complete the 2 yr rule....***********
Yes that would fulfil the two year requirement.
Hi! I completed a Bachelor of Information Systems and am now working towards a 1.5 year master of professional accounting. As I know that the 2 year rule states that the studies should be closely related to the nominated job. I just wonder if I am able to meet this 2-year study requirement if I nominate accountant as my job, given that my studies are information systems and accounting.
Thank you!!!
**************Hi! I completed a Bachelor of Information Systems and am now working towards a 1.5 year master of professional accounting. I just wonder if I am able to meet this 2-year study requirement if I nominate accountant as my job, given that my studies are information systems and accounting.
Thank you!!!***********
As you have yourself mentioned, that your degree is 1.5 years, hence, you do not fulfil the requirements of applying for an application.
The requirements are
1. You should do a two years degree ,92 weeks
2. Your nominated profession on the SOL/MODL should be closely related to the 2 years degree you have done in Australia.
Hi,
My name is Sarika and I am interted to go for 2yesr course of Advanced Diploma of Information Technology (Network Security) from Holmesglen Institute. Can you tell me that after completing the course i would be able to get the Permanent Residency in Australia or not, and if not, what else it would require to get that.
Thanks,
Sarika
@Sarika
**************My name is Sarika and I am interted to go for 2yesr course of Advanced Diploma of Information Technology (Network Security) from Holmesglen Institute. Can you tell me that after completing the course i would be able to get the Permanent Residency in Australia or not, and if not, what else it would require to get that*************
YES, by studying full time for two years in a course which is closely related to a profession listed on the SOL/MODL, you fulfil the pre-requisite of two years full time study.
However, you still have to score , 120 points to be eligible for Permanent residency.
So to answer your question, YES, you can apply for Permanent residency. Whether you get residency or not depends upon how many points you score.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi Junaid,
I am currently faced with a prob.
When I first came here i was enlisted in the Master of Finance prog, but it was not for me so I exited the program after completing the Graduate Certificate stage (i.e after the 1st sem - 6 months, 48 credits)
I am now enrolled in the Master of Commerce specializing in marketing (1.5 yr course,144 credit points)which I complete in Nov 2008.
Will this count as 2 yrs of study or do I have to another 1 year diploma course?
Also I will be getting the 668 visa so need only 100 points. Which I meet with my age, IELTS score and 50 points if I nominate the Marketing Specialist occupation.
my only prob is the 2 yrs study clause. If I do another 1 yr course will i still be able to get pts for the M.Comm degree bcoz I would be awarded the degree more than 6 months before applying for PR.
Thanks in advance for the help
@Ronan
When I first came here i was enlisted in the Master of Finance prog, but it was not for me so I exited the program after completing the Graduate Certificate stage (i.e after the 1st sem - 6 months, 48 credits)
I am now enrolled in the Master of Commerce specializing in marketing (1.5 yr course,144 credit points)which I complete in Nov 2008.
Will this count as 2 yrs of study or do I have to another 1 year diploma course?
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Yes this counts as two years study.
However, the question is whether your latest degree and your earlier certificate are CLOSELY related to the profession which you will ultimately chose on the SOL?
All your degrees/ trade certificates/ diplomas must be CLOSELY related to the the profession you chose on the SOL/MODL.
*****Also I will be getting the 668 visa so need only 100 points.*****
I am unaware of the this visa. So cannot help at this point in time.
**********my only prob is the 2 yrs study clause. If I do another 1 yr course will i still be able to get pts for the M.Comm degree bcoz I would be awarded the degree more than 6 months before applying for PR.**************
1. Check whether the master of finance degree is closely related to the commerce degree or not.
If yes, then simply apply for PR.
If not, then enrol in yet another 6 months trade certificate which is closely related to what you are studying right now and apply on its basis.
That would mean that you did a 1.5 years plus 6 months study.In this case, unfortunately, your earlier 6 months in finance would go waste. So although you did 6 months + 1.5 years + 6 months years study, only the last 1.5 yrs plus 6 months would count.
And yes you have to apply within 6 months of your results being released.
The question remains whether your courses are closely related or not. For that, you have to consult a specialist lawyer as I am unable to answer that question.
Let me know if you want to consult one.
Where do you live?
Kind Regards
Junaid
thx for the info Junaid
I'm currently in Melb and studying at RMIT Uni.
Sorry I made a mistake with the visa. It is actually "Skilled – Sponsored (Residence) visa (subclass 886" which I will be applying for.
As i mentioned earlier I am currently studying the M.com degree and have taken 9 subjects in Marketing out of the 12.
Would'nt Finance and Marketing be closely related since both are in the Business field and if someone would want to work as a Marketer in
a bank they would require a bit of Finance background. (just my opinion)
And the Finance course was only a Graduate Certf and not a diploma or degree as I exited at the 1st stage, so not sure if it is recognized for the 2 yrs Rule.
Yes I would be happy if you could recommend a good cert lawyer.
I have found a few online which charge between $200 -$250 for a 1 hr consultation. So contemplating which one to visit b'coz it is no small amount.
thanks again for the help.
Cheers
Ronan
@Ronan
*******Sorry I made a mistake with the visa. It is actually "Skilled – Sponsored (Residence) visa (subclass 886" which I will be applying for.**********
For skilled sponsored visa 886, apart from the rest of prerequsites of visa 885, 886 visa also requires that either:
You, your spouse or your interdependent partner have an eligible relative living in Australia who is willing and able to sponsor you
or
You have a nomination from a participating State or Territory government agency.
So I hope you are aware of how you have to get this visa.
********As i mentioned earlier I am currently studying the M.com degree and have taken 9 subjects in Marketing out of the 12.
Would'nt Finance and Marketing be closely related since both are in the Business field and if someone would want to work as a Marketer in a bank they would require a bit of Finance background. (just my opinion)**********
Your opinion doesnt matter. I will have it checked up for you.
*******And the Finance course was only a Graduate Certf and not a diploma or degree as I exited at the 1st stage, so not sure if it is recognized for the 2 yrs Rule.*********
What matters is whether you want to have it considered in the 2 years study or not. If no then fine. If yes, then it has to be closely related to the rest of the degrees and as well as the profession on SOL/MODl that you have chosen.
Ideally, this is the information you would get from your asessing body.
*********Yes I would be happy if you could recommend a good cert lawyer.
I have found a few online which charge between $200 -$250 for a 1 hr consultation. So contemplating which one to visit b'coz it is no small amount.*********
Send in the following details to the following email address
sjunaidn at gmail dot com
1. Your Full name
2. Your date of Birth
3. Your arrival date in Australia as stamped on your passport
4. The name, weblink and the CRICOS number of the course you initially registered in and the amount of time you spent in it.
5. The name, weblink and the ,CRICOS number of the course you then moved into. and how much time you have studied in it.
6. When does your student visa expire?
7. What are the conditions on your current student visa. Send in the numbers written on it like 8061, etc.
If you want to get this done for free, you will have to wait. (A week or so.) If you want to get it done quickly, you will have to pay as the lawyer I will contact is very busy. I will check how much he will charge.
Make sure you send in the correct answers to my questions. All answers would be based on the information you provide.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@junaid
have sent you the email with my info.
thanks
@Ronan
I requested you to send the information I requested to my email address.
Till date I have not received any email from you.
My email address is
sjunaidn at gmail dot com
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Ronan
I requested you to send the information I requested to my email address.
Till date I have not received any email from you.
My email address is
sjunaidn at gmail dot com
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi, could you tell me how often the professions in the SOL change? I want to do a postgraduate course in accounting in 2009 and am wondering if it would still be in the list by 2011. I know it is too early to ask about it, but I think you know the tendencey. thanks
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hi, could you tell me how often the professions in the SOL change? I want to do a postgraduate course in accounting in 2009 and am wondering if it would still be in the list by 2011. I know it is too early to ask about it, but I think you know the tendencey. thanks
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No it is impossible to tell how often the professions on the SOL change.
It depends upon the conditions and demand of the market.
It is quite possible that you take admission in accounting and just one month before your lodging the application, accounting is removed from the SOL. That would leave you high and dry in the middle of no where.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
i have read all the answers given by you.i certainly appreciate your patience first.
I am sachin and i am doing Master of Engineering management(1year) and further i have confirmation of Master of Business administration(MBA).so its MEM/MBA course.
what are my chances for apllying PR.
i am also sending email to you with all CRICOS code and other info
thank
sachin
Now my question is similar that whether i am eligible for 2 year rule as i am doin 2.5 years dual master degrees.
My university is University of wollongong.
@Sachin
Hi Junaid
I read all your answers on Blog.it lead me to ask one question
I am doing Master of Engineering Management(MEM) 1 year course and i already ahve master of business administration confirmation of enrolment(MBA) 1.5 year course.so basically my course is 2.5 years dual degree. from university of wollongong
Now i want to know can i apply for PR after my completion of degree or 2 year education is required in one field only.
My 2 degrees are related to each other because in my curriculam its mentioned that after successful completion of MEM i can go for MBA and most of the subjects i am studying or i will study are related to Finance and startegy.
please advise the needful
regards
sachin
date of birth:28-7-1983
CRICOS for MEM: 051350M 1 year course going on
CRICOS for MBA: 013031G 1.5 yr course start from feb 2009
date enter in australia:17th feb,2008
visa expiry:30-10-2010
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Summary:
You will be doing two degrees in 2.5 years.
MEM for one year.
MBA for 1.5 year.
As I can see, the profession which you would chose on the SOL/MODL would be some kind of engineering profession. Right?
Now, after chosing your profession on the SOL/MODL you will have to get a positive skills assessment from the eingeering council of Australia.
The problem is that the engineering council of Australia doesnt consider your post graduate qualifictaions. It considers your undergraduate degree for purposes of skills assessment.
So you will have to apply to engineering council on the basis of your undergraduate degree NOT postgraduate degree.
Check my post regarding that on the blog.
You must be thinking then why the hell did you do the 2.5 yrs of study for? Well that is just for sastisfying the requirements of the immigration department. Yes this sounds stupid but thats how it is!
For engineers it is better to work for one year in their profession and then apply for offshore immigration from thier country.
For IT professionals its difficult as ACS requires 4 years of experience. So to escape four yrs of waiting, we IT professionals do 2 years of study in Australia.
So all depends upon what degree did you do in your under grad and what profession you chose on the SOL/MODl and whether Engineering Australia gives you a positive skills assessment for that profession or not.
Your post graduate degree will only help you a little bit in the assessment but the main thing is the undergraduate degree.
If the engineering council of Australia gives you a positive skills assessment for the two degrees you have done then you can apply for PR. You have to write a CDR report to get a positive skills assessment from engineering council of Australia.
But if the engineering council of Australia decides, that the you do not qualify to be a professional of the profession you have chosen on the SOL/MODL, then you are in trouble.
Best would be to contact the Engineering Council of Australia and ask the question.
Q. I have done the following undergraduate/postgraduate degrees (name them.) And I have chosen the following profession on the SOL/MODL.
In case I write a satisfactory CDR, would I be able to get a positive skills assessment for the profession A,B,C on the SOL/MODL.
Hope this helps.
Cheers.
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I'm doing Master of Commerce (Marketing) at USYD which is 1.5-year course and I'm going to finish in July2008. As that does not meet 2 year study requirement, thus I have to do another course that is 1-year Grduate Diploma in Management(Marketing) at CQU. Unfortunately, the next available session that I can attend is November2008. Then,I plan to apply for PR after finishing the latter.
The question is that if there is a problem with the free period(Aug-Oct). And can I still combine those two degrees at the time of lodging application?
Regards,
Zac
@Zac
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Hi Junaid,
I'm doing Master of Commerce (Marketing) at USYD which is 1.5-year course and I'm going to finish in July2008. As that does not meet 2 year study requirement, thus I have to do another course that is 1-year Grduate Diploma in Management(Marketing) at CQU. Unfortunately, the next available session that I can attend is November2008. Then,I plan to apply for PR after finishing the latter.
The question is that if there is a problem with the free period(Aug-Oct). And can I still combine those two degrees at the time of lodging application?
Regards,
Zac
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There is no restriction o any sort in the two yr rule which says that you must complete all your degrees/trade certificates/diplomas in one go.
Therefore, you can complete them at different time with breaks in between.
However, once you have completed your two yr education, you have to apply for PR within 6 months of the declaration of your final results, subject to your successfully completing your degree.
Hope this answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi I need your help.
I have graduated Bachelor degree in Electrical Engineering in my country and I have work experience for 2 years but now i left from my job over one year.I decided to apply pr here by use my degree in my country but i have to study at here for 2 years.I'm not sure about this rule.It means i have to study in master degree only or i can choose to study in Diploma in Electrical Engineering Assistance or Mix 1year for Master and 1year for Diploma? Thank you very much.
hi junaid,
I am doing Master of Professional Accounting in UNSW and it is a course of 1.5 yrs.This course is isted in Cricos for 78 weeks. But as I got 4 subject exemptions, I am finishing the course in two full semester of 1 year. After that, I am going to do another Master for 1 year also in speciaist accounting program and it is in cricos of 52 weeks.
Now, as I am completing the first masters in 1 year full time study, should it be count as 52 weeks cricos?
Also, am I meeting the 2 year rules?
Regards
Shajib M Rahman
hi junaid,
i'm currently doing a masters in actuarial studies and it's for 1.5 years (78 weeks in CRICOS). obviously, it does not meet the 2 year requirement. if i take another masters degree related the actuarial studies, but do only one semester,(i.e. i won't finish the course), would that satisfy the 2-year requirement? Also, can i have my student visa extended for the purpose of studying another masters degree? thanks very much.
I'm doing Master degree which is 1.5 yrs course and I'm looking for another course to meet 2 yr rule.
Can it be Diploma course? Or does it have to Graduate Diploma? Can I also get some exemption from my previous study(Master degree).
Thank you very much..
@^^^
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Hi I need your help.
I have graduated Bachelor degree in Electrical Engineering in my country and I have work experience for 2 years but now i left from my job over one year.I decided to apply pr here by use my degree in my country but i have to study at here for 2 years.I'm not sure about this rule.It means i have to study in master degree only or i can choose to study in Diploma in Electrical Engineering Assistance or Mix 1year for Master and 1year for Diploma? Thank you very much.
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If you want to apply for PR based on your prior work experience in your home country, then you need to fulfil the following requirements.
1. You should be below 45 yrs of age.
2. You should have at least 6 in IELTS in every module.
3. Your occupation in which you have been working for the past 2 years should be in the SOL/MODL.To meet the recent work experience requirement, you must demonstrate that you have been employed in an occupation on the Skilled Occupation List (SOL) for 12 of the 24 months immediately before lodging your visa application.
4. You should be able to score 120 in the points test.
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If you want to apply for PR based on your study in Australia, then you must satisfy the following requirements.
1. You should be below 45 yrs of age.
2. You should have at least 6 in IELTS in every module.
3. Your nominated occupation is on the SOL/MODL AND the course in which you studied for two yrs is CLOSELY related to your nominated profession on the SOL/MODL.
4. You have studied in Australia as an international student for two years full time in a degree(s) registered with CRICOS and the total official duration of the degree(s) is 92 weeks or more.
Answering your question:
You can study in one or multiple degrees/trade certificates/diplomas etc to make the total amount of time to 92 weeks.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Shajib Rehman
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hi junaid,
I am doing Master of Professional Accounting in UNSW and it is a course of 1.5 yrs.This course is isted in Cricos for 78 weeks. But as I got 4 subject exemptions, I am finishing the course in two full semester of 1 year. After that, I am going to do another Master for 1 year also in speciaist accounting program and it is in cricos of 52 weeks.
Now, as I am completing the first masters in 1 year full time study, should it be count as 52 weeks cricos?
Also, am I meeting the 2 year rules?
Regards
Shajib M Rahman
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You have studied in a course the total duration of which was 78 weeks. Plus you got exemption for certain subjects. Which reduced the course to further 52 weeks.
Now you have to enrol in another course to study for another 52 weeks.
If you again apply for exemptions, then you will have to study further.
If the total amount of time you studied, EXCLUDING the exemptions, is 92 weeks or MORE, then you satisfy the two year rule.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@^^
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hi junaid,
i'm currently doing a masters in actuarial studies and it's for 1.5 years (78 weeks in CRICOS). obviously, it does not meet the 2 year requirement. if i take another masters degree related the actuarial studies, but do only one semester,(i.e. i won't finish the course), would that satisfy the 2-year requirement? Also, can i have my student visa extended for the purpose of studying another masters degree? thanks very much.
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NO, if you enrol in another degree and only study for one semester, that doesn't satisfy the two year rule.
You should enrol in a graduate certificate or a diploma rather then a degree, as it is necessary to complete the degree/diploma/trade certificate you enrolled in.
Yes you can extend your student visa to enrol in a new degree.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@^^
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I'm doing Master degree which is 1.5 yrs course and I'm looking for another course to meet 2 yr rule.
Can it be Diploma course? Or does it have to Graduate Diploma? Can I also get some exemption from my previous study(Master degree).
Thank you very much..
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Yes it can be a degree/diploma/graduate diploma as long as the total amount of study you did over the yrs is more then 92 weeks.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
First of all I much appreciate your initiative to help people by setting up an open blog.
Sorry to annoy you but I will ask you the same question just for clarification before making a mistake.
I completed a 1.5 yrs master's degree (Molecular Biology) in 2 years, a total of 24 credits(Completed in December 2007 and returned home in February 2008). Now I am planning to do another semester (July 2008) which will use all the credits of my master's degree and will give me Advanced Master's degree in Biotechnology (32 Credits), I have been a full time international student ever since and just wondering if there is a clause which says the study should be continuous. As I have taken a break will that affect my 2 yr study to apply for 18 months work visa?
As there is nothing on the website about the gap during the studies, so I am a bit afraid to spend more money for nothing.
Also I was thinking that my total time of absence from Australia will be less than 6 months, so there shouldn't be a problem. If you could find a link regarding continuous or study with breaks will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Himanshu
@Himanshu
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I completed a 1.5 yrs master's degree (Molecular Biology) in 2 years, a total of 24 credits(Completed in December 2007 and returned home in February 2008).
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Whether you complete it in two yrs or 10 yrs, it is still considered 1.5 yrs.
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Now I am planning to do another semester (July 2008) which will use all the credits of my master's degree and will give me Advanced Master's degree in Biotechnology (32 Credits), I have been a full time international student ever since and just wondering if there is a clause which says the study should be continuous.
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No there is no clause of continuous study. The only thing is that once you complete your advanced degree, you must apply for residency visa 885 within 6 months of the release of your result.
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As I have taken a break will that affect my 2 yr study to apply for 18 months work visa?
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No it will not.
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Also I was thinking that my total time of absence from Australia will be less than 6 months, so there shouldn't be a problem. If you could find a link regarding continuous or study with breaks will be much appreciated.
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Here is the link for the two yrs rule. I have read it many times and havent found any thing to do with continuous study.
You can read it yourself too.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-study.htm
Kind Regards
Junaid
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Hi all,
Im about to finish by next july, and I have got just one 1.5 years study, also I have studied bridging course for four months. I'm not sure about my situation, do I'm eligible to apply for PR or not? and is the bridging course which was english course is in account for the two years study? Can anyone give me some advice?
Ali
@Ali
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Hi all,
Im about to finish by next july, and I have got just one 1.5 years study, also I have studied bridging course for four months. I'm not sure about my situation, do I'm eligible to apply for PR or not? and is the bridging course which was english course is in account for the two years study? Can anyone give me some advice?
Ali
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First of all:
Your study in English is not counted towards the two years period.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-study.htm
Note: English language proficiency courses cannot be used to meet the two (2) year study requirement.
Secondly, you need to study for two years in a degree closely related to a profession listed on the SOL/MODL. This two years should not include any time taken to study English.
Keeping in mind the information you provided you cannot apply for PR.
You need to study further.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
i'm currently taking a masters for 1.5 years. if i'm going to take another course, i was told that i have to take one the same level as masters or higher (such as a phd), and cannot downgrade to a lower level because it will not count to 2 years study. is the graduate certificate the same level as a masters study? even though i studied masters first, does it mean i downgraded from masters to graduate certificate? thanks. hope my question was clear.
@^^
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hi junaid,
i'm currently taking a masters for 1.5 years. if i'm going to take another course, i was told that i have to take one the same level as masters or higher (such as a phd), and cannot downgrade to a lower level because it will not count to 2 years study. is the graduate certificate the same level as a masters study? even though i studied masters first, does it mean i downgraded from masters to graduate certificate? thanks. hope my question was clear.
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Yes that is right.
You must take a course at the same level and related to the same degree.
Now there are various options.
Graduate certificate (normally of 6 months)
Graduate diploma (normally of 1 yr)
Masters (normally of 1.5 yr)
Of course you would be interested in the graduate certificate as that would take the shortest time.
But I am not sure about it so you need to ask a competent lawyer about graduate certificate.
However, I am completely sure about Graduate diploma.
If in case it turns out that you cannot do graduate certificate, then you can always enrol in a graduate diploma, take a semesters' exemption and that would help you out.
Hope this answers the question.
Ask a MAARA qualified lawyer if its ok to do the graduate certificate.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
First things first, hats off to you for your active participation and help in Study in Australia blog (i read the whole thread). I arrived in Australia in October 2007 for the summer semester studies and will be completing my Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) in June 2008. I am planning to do further studies inorder to complete my 2 year studies. TR (and not PR) is my goal at the moment.
So, i have offer for Masters in Marketing (8units) from Griffith University. But, there is a requirement by Griffith on the offer letter which says you need to complete a Graduate Certificate in Business (4units), inorder to be eligible for the Masters in Marketing program. I have not yet accepted their offer.
At this moment, some word of advice from you would be highly appreciated as this is a decision of the lifetime.
1. Will the Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) + Graduate Certificate in Business (4units) + Masters in Marketing (8units) be sufficient for me to satisfy the 2 year study rule.
2. If i get credit transfer for my Australian study, which would be maximum 1 or 2 units, will that be fine for satisfying all the conditions ?
3. Any other condition i need to satisfy inorder to get a TR ( 18 months) ?
4. If i undertake the above mentioned study, i will be doing 20 units in all. Can you think of someway, wherein i do just 16 units and also be eligible for TR ?
Thanks heaps.
Cheers,
Praveen Sharma.
@Praveen Sharma
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Hi Junaid,
First things first, hats off to you for your active participation and help in Study in Australia blog (i read the whole thread).
I arrived in Australia in October 2007 for the summer semester studies and will be completing my Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) in June 2008.
I am planning to do further studies inorder to complete my 2 year studies. TR (and not PR) is my goal at the moment.
So, i have offer for Masters in Marketing (8units) from Griffith University. But, there is a requirement by Griffith on the offer letter which says you need to complete a Graduate Certificate in Business (4units), inorder to be eligible for the Masters in Marketing program. I have not yet accepted their offer.
At this moment, some word of advice from you would be highly appreciated as this is a decision of the lifetime.
1. Will the Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) + Graduate Certificate in Business (4units) + Masters in Marketing (8units) be sufficient for me to satisfy the 2 year study rule.
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Ans: As long as the total time of your study in Australia as a full time international student , EXLCUDING exemptions, is equal to or greater then 92 weeks, you can apply for PR.
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2. If i get credit transfer for my Australian study, which would be maximum 1 or 2 units, will that be fine for satisfying all the conditions ?
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Yes you can transfer credits from your previous AUSTRALIAN study. However, if your get exemptions for 2 credit hours out of 4 credit hours in the new degree, then only 2 credit hours worth of study would be counted towards the 92 weeks . Not 4 credit hours.
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3. Any other condition i need to satisfy inorder to get a TR ( 18 months) ?
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Ans:The only condition is 2 yrs of study. Of course you need to have cleared all degree you enroled in.
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4. If i undertake the above mentioned study, i will be doing 20 units in all. Can you think of someway, wherein i do just 16 units and also be eligible for TR ?
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Ans: I am not sure how much time does a single unit take. But you need to have remained a full time student for 2 yrs OR 92 weeks to be able to get a TR.
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Thanks heaps.
Cheers,
Praveen Sharma.
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Hope this answers your questions
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
I was enrolled in Master of Accountancy (2 years course) in UWS with 16 units. I took early exit as a Graduate diploma in Accounting (which is is of 1 year duration)with 6 units.
I changed the course provider and joined curtin university of technology in Master of Accountancy(2 years course)12 units. The new provider offered me RPL of 5 subjects only from my grad. diploma. I am now doing remaining 7 units(1 unit repeating) with this new provider.
will i be eligible for PR under 2 years study-rule.?
What about 92 weeks rule? can i take 1 unit exemption from my overseas qualification and still be eligible for 2 year study for PR?
Thanks
Raj
Hi Junaid excellent work mate. I have a question for you. What happens if someone is doing a course that is of 2 years but the duration in week according to cricos is 76 weeks???
Thanks for your help.
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Hi Junaid excellent work mate. I have a question for you. What happens if someone is doing a course that is of 2 years but the duration in week according to cricos is 76 weeks???
Thanks for your help.
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I dont know how can a course be 2 years (102 weeks) and 76 weeks at the same time.
But to answer your question, if your course is 76 weeks according to CRICOS, then it is 76 weeks and you cannot apply for PR unless you take additional study in a similar degree which is also closely related to a profession on the SOL/MODL.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Raj
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Hi,
I was enrolled in Master of Accountancy (2 years course) in UWS with 16 units. I took early exit as a Graduate diploma in Accounting (which is is of 1 year duration)with 6 units.
I changed the course provider and joined curtin university of technology in Master of Accountancy(2 years course)12 units.
The new provider offered me RPL of 5 subjects only from my grad.
diploma.
I am now doing remaining 7 units(1 unit repeating) with this new provider.
will i be eligible for PR under 2 years study-rule.?
What about 92 weeks rule? can i take 1 unit exemption from my overseas qualification and still be eligible for 2 year study for PR?
Thanks
Raj
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As long as your total time spent studying in Australia is at least 92 weeks, you can apply for PR.
This doesnt include exemptions or RPL.
Because when you take RPL or exemptions, you reduce the amount of time you have studied.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
I was enrolled in Master of Accountancy (2 years course) in UWS with 16 units. I took early exit as a Graduate diploma in Accounting (which is is of 1 year duration)with 6 units.
I changed the course provider and joined curtin university of technology in Master of Accountancy(2 years course)12 units.
The new provider offered me RPL of 5 subjects only from my grad.
diploma.
I am now doing remaining 7 units(1 unit repeating) with this new provider.
will i be eligible for PR under 2 years study-rule.?
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Hi Junaid,
thanks a lot for ur advice. But i am still confused over some area. AS i am enrolled in 2years course (102 weeks)with this new provider, can i take 1 exemption from my overseas qualification and do only 6 units(1 unit repeating as i didnt get RPL for it)instead of 7 units. Will i still be eligible for 2 years study(92 weeks)though my course is of 102weeks.
Your suggestion will be highly appreciated.
Thanks
Raj
@ Raj
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Hi,
I was enrolled in Master of Accountancy (2 years course) in UWS with 16 units. I took early exit as a Graduate diploma in Accounting (which is is of 1 year duration)with 6 units.
I changed the course provider and joined curtin university of technology in Master of Accountancy(2 years course)12 units.
The new provider offered me RPL of 5 subjects only from my grad.
diploma.
I am now doing remaining 7 units(1 unit repeating) with this new provider.
will i be eligible for PR under 2 years study-rule.?
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Hi Junaid,
thanks a lot for ur advice. But i am still confused over some area. AS i am enrolled in 2years course (102 weeks)with this new provider, can i take 1 exemption from my overseas qualification and do only 6 units(1 unit repeating as i didnt get RPL for it)instead of 7 units. Will i still be eligible for 2 years study(92 weeks)though my course is of 102weeks.
Your suggestion will be highly appreciated.
Thanks
Raj
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Example 1:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 138 weeks (3 years) and consists of 24 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 8 units per year. In that course, a student will have completed two academic years when they have successfully completed 16 units.
That means a student enrolled in that course can be given credit for prior learning for up to 8 units and still complete two academic years study.
Example 2:
If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement.
A student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years study and may have to complete an additional degree, diploma or trade qualification to meet the two year study requirement.
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If your course is registered as 2 yrs, 102 weeks or 92 weeks in some cases, then you cannot take RPL or exemption unless you have studied previously in another Australian university and the result of that study was a degree/diploma/trade certificate.
Kind Regards
Junaid
is there any chance of rejection of visa, as my medical is ok and i have received pva.
please also e-mail my answer if possible
e-mail: ghummanbros@yahoo.com
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is there any chance of rejection of visa, as my medical is ok and i have received pva.
please also e-mail my answer if possible
e-mail: ghummanbros@yahoo.com
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I am unable to answer your question as the decision depends upon lots of criteria.
Only the case officer can give you a definite answer.
Kind Regards
J
dear junaid,
another isseu about the closely related subjects.
-my undergraduete degree is IT (might be unrelevant but good to know)
-now I'm doing a master's in
international business and law (1-year)
-i'm planning on enrolling in
a ACS accredited course in sydney like
information technology. IT scores
on the SOL list.
Now my questions is: the 1 year master in IT is accredited, the master of IB and law obviously not even though at least the international part and parts of the law lecture were very business related. Do you think I can apply for PR as an IT professional even though if have only 1-year accredited by the acs?
@^^
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ear junaid,
another isseu about the closely related subjects.
-my undergraduete degree is IT (might be unrelevant but good to know)
-now I'm doing a master's in
international business and law (1-year)
-i'm planning on enrolling in
a ACS accredited course in sydney like
information technology. IT scores
on the SOL list.
Now my questions is: the 1 year master in IT is accredited, the master of IB and law obviously not even though at least the international part and parts of the law lecture were very business related. Do you think I can apply for PR as an IT professional even though if have only 1-year accredited by the acs?
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Although you have studied for two yrs in Australia, both the degrees you have done are not closely related to the profession you want to chose on the SOL/MODL.
All of your two yrs study must be closely related to the profession on the SOL/MODL.
So you cannot apply for PR under the current circumstances.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Thank you Junaid, you are great help.
Now, since I know now that the I.B. and Law will not help because it is not accredited by the acs at all, I am thinking about changing to the master's of commerce at the USYD (major: business information systems which is accredited according to the acs website). There is more confusion now, because I don't know if only the major of the commerce degree is accredited or the whole programme even though the degree is posted on the acs website. Will I get the full CRICOS 72 weeks for this degree or will the assessors only count the releveant IT part? If not, does that mean that I can only take core IT studies?
Since I will not reach the 92 threshold even if i got the full 72 weeks of the degree, I'm thinking about getting a diploma in IT from the acs. However, this diploma I have not found on CRICOS. Will this degree offered by the acs itself count towards the 2 study year rule? (http://www.acs.org.au/dit/)
Regards and thank you again for taking so much of your time helping people.
Andreas
@Andreas
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Thank you Junaid, you are great help.
Now, since I know now that the I.B. and Law will not help because it is not accredited by the acs at all, I am thinking about changing to the master's of commerce at the USYD (major: business information systems which is accredited according to the acs website).
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Let me clarify some thing. The reason you will not be able to apply for PR as of the current state is not because your current degree is not accredited by ACS, but because the multiple degrees you intend to do in future are NOT CLOSELY RELATED.
The end result is the same but I am trying to make you understand the law. A degree not being accredited by ACS is different from two degrees not being closely related.
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There is more confusion now, because I don't know if only the major of the commerce degree is accredited or the whole programme even though the degree is posted on the acs website.
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As long as
1. The degree is listed on the ACS website
2. The majors of the degree are core computer science subjects
Its all OK!.
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Will I get the full CRICOS 72 weeks for this degree or will the assessors only count the releveant IT part? If not, does that mean that I can only take core IT studies?
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The degree as a whole is assessed.
Its ok to take some non computer science subjects like I myself took a law subject, business law and ethics in my last semester. I also took Technical report writing.
As long as the majority of your credits are in core computer science subjects, its all OK!
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Since I will not reach the 92 threshold even if i got the full 72 weeks of the degree, I'm thinking about getting a diploma in IT from the acs. However, this diploma I have not found on CRICOS. Will this degree offered by the acs itself count towards the 2 study year rule? (http://www.acs.org.au/dit/)
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To be able to apply for PR, you must fulfil the following requirements
1. Have studied for at least 92 weeks, full time
AND
2. In a CRICOS certified course
AND
3. The result of the study is a completion of degree(s).
If a course is not CRICOS certified, then you cannot apply for PR using that particular course.
Hope this answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid.
Lemme begin with Thanking you on behalf of all those whom you have guided all this while. The knowledge you have and the efforts you are putting in is truly commendable.
I am an engineer and planning to pursue a masters degree from australia, for which the course and university selection I am through with. However 'm not really sure 'bout the new PR norms applicable after sep'08. My course duration is 1.5yrs ( http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2098 ). Would really appreciate if you could guide me with what additional things I should consider or is there anything I should know 'bout the new PR rule.
Thanks and Regards.......... Nishith.
@Nishith
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Hi Junaid.
Lemme begin with Thanking you on behalf of all those whom you have guided all this while. The knowledge you have and the efforts you are putting in is truly commendable.
I am an engineer and planning to pursue a masters degree from australia, for which the course and university selection I am through with. However 'm not really sure 'bout the new PR norms applicable after sep'08. My course duration is 1.5yrs ( http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2098 ). Would really appreciate if you could guide me with what additional things I should consider or is there anything I should know 'bout the new PR rule.
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As an international student, if you are interested in applying for PR, you should be aware of the following things
Eligibility
1. You must have studied in Australia for an academic period totalling 92 weeks OR 102 weeks.
2. The degree you studied in must be CLOSELY related to the profession you will chose on the SOL/MODL. If there is no profession on the SOL/MODL that you can chose or is not closely related to your degree, then you cannot apply for PR.
3. You must be able to get a positive skills assessment from the relevant assessing body. The relevant assessing body is listed next to each profession on the SOL/MODL.
4. You must score 120 points to be able to get PR. Other wise you will have to go through other lengthy and expensive ways to do so.
5. You must at least get 6 band in all modules of IELTS.
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So check whether the degree you intend to do is relevant to any profession on the SOL/MODL or not?
If not then change your course to some thing which is relevant to a profession on the SOL/MODL.
If yes then check how many points your profession has? 50 or 60?
If your profession has 50 points then do some thing to get extra bonus points as you will be short of 15 points.
Do the points test calculator from this link and see if at the end of 2 yrs study would be able to score 120 points or not?
http://www.workpermit.com/australia/point_calculator.htm
Also keep in mind that the rules for PR might change any time.
What will you do in case your profession is removed from the SOL/MODL all together. This is highly unlikely but still you should be ready.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I have already written to you about my case. Thanks a million for your reply. Now, i want to know two things:
1. How would you define a full time and full load student ?
If i do 3 units per semester (COZ I AM GETTING CREDIT TRANSFER FOR 1 UNIT FOR MY AUSTRALIAN STUDY), will i be full time full load or do i have to compulsorily be enrolled in 4 units per semester inorder to be a full time student.
2. I want a simple yes/no answer for the following:
Case :
Commencement of study period from November 2007 and end of study period is June 2009 (its coming to more than 16 calender months and 16 units) ..
IS THIS SATISFYING THE 2 YEAR STUDY RULE ?
THANKS HEAPS
CHEERS,
PRAVEEN SHARMA.
@Praveen
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If a course is CRICOS registered for 138 weeks (3 years) and consists of 24 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 8 units per year.
So before I can tell you whether studying 3 Units per semester satisfies the full time load requirement or not, I need to know the following
1. What is the total duration of your course in weeks as given on the CRICOS website.
http://cricos.dest.gov.au
2. How many total units are in your course that you are doing?
Once you have given me the above named information, I will be able to give you an answer in YES or NO.
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Ans 2:
As mentioned above, please give the link for your particular course on the CRICOS website.
I will see how many weeks is your course registered as.
Then I will give you an answer in YES or NO.
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I will just give you an example of what I did.
I was enrolled in the following course
http://cricos.dest.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=43341
CRICOS code 043341A
Duration (Weeks): 78
As you can see by visiting the link, my course was 78 weeks as per CRICOS website where as the two yr requirement clearly states 92 weeks as the pre-requisite.
So I enrolled in another course after completing this one.
The new course I enrolled in was the following
http://cricos.dest.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=55279
CRICOS code : 055279C
Duration (Weeks): 104
Because I had already done 12 subjects out of the 16 required to do the new course, I got exemption for 12 subjects and only had to do 4 more subjects.
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So give me complete information of your course, as listed on the CRICOS website. Give me the links.
And then I will give you an answer in YES or NO.
PS: I receive a high volume of queries, so I am unable to remember the details of all the people who contacted me.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Thanks a lot Junaid for the prompt reply. The course which i am going to pursue is detailed in the following link
http://cricos.dest.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=59599
But, the one which i will be completing this month, i am not able to get hold to its cricos code, since i was originally enrolled for Masters in International Business but later i took an alternative exit from it for getting Graduate Diploma in International Business.
My complete study consists of 8 units from Graduate Diploma and 8 units from my Masters which i am going to pursue.
Let me know if i can provide with any other details !!!
What do you suggest now !!
Please help me !!
Hi
I am Doing Master Of Engineering Management from university of wollongong.its a 1 year course.further i planned for MBA but now i am planning to do Engineering of Major Studies(012128G).I have mentioned the Cricos Code.Now M i fullfilling 2 years rule with 2 course related to each other.Is it ok if i change my course as i already have COE for MBA but now i have to apply for MES.
Please reply
Thanks Sachin
@Sachin
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Hi
I am Doing Master Of Engineering Management from university of wollongong.its a 1 year course.further i planned for MBA but now i am planning to do Engineering of Major Studies(012128G).I have mentioned the Cricos Code.Now M i fullfilling 2 years rule with 2 course related to each other.Is it ok if i change my course as i already have COE for MBA but now i have to apply for MES.
Please reply
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Check the course duration of both courses on the CRICOS website and see if it is more then 92 weeks or not.
If you have a ECoE, you can have it cancelled but make sure that you talk to some one in the Uni and see if you can get the ECoE for the other course.
If you get this ECoE cancelled and you dont get the other one then you have to leave Australia after the expiry of your student visa.
From a PR point of view , it will not matter when you lodge the application.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Praveen
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Thanks a lot Junaid for the prompt reply. The course which i am going to pursue is detailed in the following link
http://cricos.dest.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=59599
But, the one which i will be completing this month, i am not able to get hold to its cricos code, since i was originally enrolled for Masters in International Business but later i took an alternative exit from it for getting Graduate Diploma in International Business.
My complete study consists of 8 units from Graduate Diploma and 8 units from my Masters which i am going to pursue.
Let me know if i can provide with any other details !!!
What do you suggest now !!
Please help me !!
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As you can see the web link you have provided shows the course to be 78 weeks which is normally 1.5 academic yrs.
You have already completed a diploma which is normally of one yr. Correct me if I am wrong.
So by the time you finish your second degree, you will have studied 2.5 yrs or 130 (52 + 78) weeks which clearly satisfies the 2 yrs rule/92 weeks pre-requisite.
So Problem No 1 solved.
YES. you are satisfying the two yr rule criteria.
When you say units, do you mean subjects? In my time we only had subjects and each subject was worth credit points. Some subjects were worth 2 credit points, some were worth 3 and some 4 credit points. So can you explain what you mean by units. I am guessing you mean subjects. Right?
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In my time full time load was defined as 18 credit points per semester.
So as long as the sum of your credit points you are studying in a semester is 18 or greater, you were considered studying full time.
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Now since the statement given on the Immigration website is very confusing, I will consult my lawyer and get back to you on this. I will give you a clear definition of what full time load means.
The other person to give you a clear answer about this would be the international student officer at your university who knows all these things.
So ask him what full time load means? Also if you can then get back to me and tell me what the International student officer has to say about it. Mean while I will get a clear answer from my lawyer.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi junaid,
I had earlier raised this query, but yet still confused. Please clarify me.
I found the information on the website of DIMA as follows :-
"If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement.
A student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years study and may have to complete an additional degree, diploma or trade qualification to meet the two year study requirement. "
My query here is that a 92 weeks course can fulfill a 2 years study rule provided no RPL is taken for any overseas subjects.
My course duration is of 104 weeks cricos registered and consists of 12 units. Now that 92 weeks is considered 2 years study
( by DIMA), can i take 1 subject exemption on overseas basis and still satisfy 2 year course of 104 weeks.
Many of my friends say that we can take 1 subject exemption. Even some staffs in the university were of the same opinion. I am really now confused over it. As of now, i will begin my last semester, so would like to get right direction.
Cheers
raj
@Raj
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Hi junaid,
I had earlier raised this query, but yet still confused. Please clarify me.
I found the information on the website of DIMA as follows :-
"If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year. Students would be required to complete all 12 units to meet the two year study requirement.
A student enrolled in this course who is given any credit for prior learning will not have completed two academic years study and may have to complete an additional degree, diploma or trade qualification to meet the two year study requirement. "
My query here is that a 92 weeks course can fulfill a 2 years study rule provided no RPL is taken for any overseas subjects.
My course duration is of 104 weeks cricos registered and consists of 12 units. Now that 92 weeks is considered 2 years study
( by DIMA), can i take 1 subject exemption on overseas basis and still satisfy 2 year course of 104 weeks.
Many of my friends say that we can take 1 subject exemption. Even some staffs in the university were of the same opinion. I am really now confused over it. As of now, i will begin my last semester, so would like to get right direction.
Cheers
raj
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A course has 12 units and is 102 weeks long as shown on the CRICOS website.
You can take 92 weeks worth of subjects and leave the rest.
The question is how many weeks equate to one subject?
I think by doing a simple calculation we can guess that.
Divide the total number of weeks by total number of units.
102 divided by 12 = 8.5
So if you take one subject off, that will reduce the amount of time studied by 8.5 weeks.
102 - 8.5 = 93.5 weeks.
So if you take one subject off, you will have studied 93.5 weeks just enough for you to fulfil the 2 yr study requirement.
But the above formula has been made by me.
I do not guarantee the accuracy of the information I provided.
You should double check that with the department of immigration by visiting their local office and ask some one to give you an accurate reply.
Remember that the main help desk person in the office is not the right person to ask. Ask the main helpdesk person to put you in touch with some one knowledgeable.
If the help desk person refuses, do not take his word. Ask him that you want to speak to his supervisor.
Make sure you talk to the right person.
But I am confident that the formula which I have made is correct.
Hope this helps.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
I posted the querry yesterday also.
My one degree is 52 weeks and my another degree is 52 weeks...
I am enrolled in Master of engineering Management and i have COE for second degree which is MBA..and i already have visa for the duration of 2 degrees...But now i am planning to change from MBA to master of engineering studies..and univeristy is ready for its COE...
now tell me am i eligible for PR
Sachin
@University of Wollongong
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Hi Junaid
I posted the querry yesterday also.
My one degree is 52 weeks and my another degree is 52 weeks...
I am enrolled in Master of engineering Management and i have COE for second degree which is MBA..and i already have visa for the duration of 2 degrees...But now i am planning to change from MBA to master of engineering studies..and univeristy is ready for its COE...
now tell me am i eligible for PR
Sachin
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Hi Sachin,
I gave a detailed reply to your question.
I think your question is whether changing your courses affect your eligibility for PR or not?
Ans: No, changing courses doesnt affect your eligibility for PR provided you fulfil the following pre-requisites
1. All your degrees/diplomas are closely related to the profession you chose on the SOL/MODL. You cannot study one degree in Engineering and the other in IT.
2. You must have studied and completed your degrees for duration of 92 weeks.
3. You must have studied on a full time load basis.
Now one more thing I would inform you is that since your EcOE was given to you for studying management degree and now you are changing it to an engineering one, it is worth while to inform DIAC of the change just to be on the safe side.
So get the ECoE from the second uni for the engineering degree you want to do and then inform the DIAC and they will tell you of any procedures that need to be done.
Hope this helps
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
I am international student ,I have completed 1.5 years Masters in Telecommunication engineering and now doing Post Grad Diploma with 4 subjects advanced standing , that is I got 1 sem exemption and doing 4 subjects full time to complete in 6 months.Now I am confused about wether I can apply for degree assesment to ACS on the baises of 1.5 year degree to get 60 points or I should wait until completion of 1 sem that end of post grad diploma . Can you tell me whether assesment can be done for 1.5 years degree because I comleted it in Dec,2007 and now I am about to surpass 6 months criteria though I am still studying to comlete 2 years for PR rule. OR I can apply for assesment after completion of diploma as well.Thanks
@^^
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Hi,
I am international student ,I have completed 1.5 years Masters in Telecommunication engineering and now doing Post Grad Diploma with 4 subjects advanced standing , that is I got 1 sem exemption and doing 4 subjects full time to complete in 6 months.Now I am confused about wether I can apply for degree assesment to ACS on the baises of 1.5 year degree to get 60 points or I should wait until completion of 1 sem that end of post grad diploma . Can you tell me whether assesment can be done for 1.5 years degree because I comleted it in Dec,2007 and now I am about to surpass 6 months criteria though I am still studying to comlete 2 years for PR rule. OR I can apply for assesment after completion of diploma as well.Thanks
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Before I explain any thing else, I would like to inform you that are supposed to apply for a positive skills assessment from Engineering Council of Australia and NOT FROM ACS.
Your degree is related to engineering. When you chose telecom engineering on the SOL/MODL, you will see that the assessment body listed next to it is Engineering Australia and NOT ACS.
Secondly, I hope you have not made the mistake of doing a graduate diploma in a non-engineering degree.
Because the DIAC might consider both of your degrees not related to each other. Both of your degrees should be in engineering professions. You cannot have one in IT and one in engineering.
Last of all, engineering Australia assesses you based on your under graduate degree. So you could have applied for a positive skills assessment to engineering council on the very day you arrived in Australia.
Now you will be in big trouble if your under graduate degree is not in engineering because that would mean that engineering council is not going to give you a positive skills assessment.
And since you can not chose a non-engineering profession on the SOL/MODL, DIAC will not accept you choosing a profession on the SOL/MODL other then engineering.
So I hope you have a undergraduate degree in engineering and that your graduate diploma is also in engineering.
Now coming to your question.
YES you can apply for assessment from engineering council at any time because they are going to assess you on your undergraduate degree NOT post graduate degree.
Check the guidelines of engineering Australia from their website.
Hope this helps
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid if we get fail in any subject and reappear for that..will it affect PR application procedure or chances of getting PR reduced...
please advise
sachin
Hi Junaid,
Thank you for your response my Master in Telecommunication from RMIT , consists of 8 subjects out of 12 related to IT(networking), full time.These are related to Network Engineering,Advanced Network Engineering ,Network Planning, UNIX Admin, Network Infrastructure ,Internet communication Engineering ,network security ect in totality 8 related to core Networking.
And my grad dip is in Network Engineering which is in same department ( 6 IT related subjected out of 8,full-time) ,in this I got 4 exemption from earlier subjects and rest are Windows System Admin and Web servers and web technology and one more not related to IT.
ACS website says in 1.5 years you should have 2 sem full-time IT related subjects .I think now it's
more clear , so can you help me now
regarding this. Thanks for your help
Vivek
@Vikram
Hi Vikram,
Yes as per the course contents of your degree, you have studied more IT then telecom so you can get a positive skills assessment from ACS.
No problem with that.
Yes you should go ahead with getting a positive skills assessment from ACS but it will be worthwhile to wait and get a positive skills assessment based on both your diploma + 1.5 yr degree as the immigration department might raise an objection saying that you have studied two yrs but you have been assessed based on 1.5 yrs.
Its just an extra safety measure as the DIAC should not say so but if it does say that it will be a an extra hassle to solve.
So you wait till you complete your diploma.
Waiting doesnt affect your application eligibility for PR.
You can apply for PR even after your diploma but make sure you do that within 6 months of completing your diploma.
Hope this helps.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Sachin
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Hi Junaid if we get fail in any subject and reappear for that..will it affect PR application procedure or chances of getting PR reduced...
please advise
sachin
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Do not loose heart as good and bad times do come.
I have gone through bad times. The key is consistency. So work hard consistentaly.
If you fail in a subject, that has no impact on your eligibility for PR.
However, you might face issues renewing your student visa as these days they have started toughening the laws and they expect you to finish your degree within the specified time.
Hope this helps.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
thank you so much for your help ,
You are really putting a lot of effort for all of us.God bless you.
cheers
vivek
@Vivek
Your welcome.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
I am really confused and trying to understand I have done Masters in Applied Finance From UWS which is a 1 year cource(8 Subjects) that is 52 weeks and then I did Post graduation Diploma in Accounting which is also for 1 year(8 Subject completed 5 exepmtion 3) but from my Masters in Applied finance I got exemption in 3 subjects would this still becounted as 2 years of studies and can I apply for my PR...If not can I do a couple of more subjects from UWS ?? Please reply
Thanks
Darshan
@Darshan
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Hi Junaid
I am really confused and trying to understand I have done Masters in Applied Finance From UWS which is a 1 year cource(8 Subjects) that is 52 weeks and then I did Post graduation Diploma in Accounting which is also for 1 year(8 Subject completed 5 exepmtion 3) but from my Masters in Applied finance I got exemption in 3 subjects would this still becounted as 2 years of studies and can I apply for my PR...If not can I do a couple of more subjects from UWS ?? Please reply
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You were supposed to study a total of 16 subjects in 104 weeks.
Every subject is worth 104/16 = 6.5 weeks.
Since you didnt do three subjects, you actually studied for 104 - (6.5 X 3) = 84.5
So if you study two more subjects it will make it 84.5 + 13 = 97.5 weeks.
So you have to study another two subjects.
Make sure the extra study is part of a CRICOS program and you study with a full time load in a degree/course/diploma which is
1. Related to your previous degrees
AND
2. Related to the profession you choose on the SOL/MODL.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
Problem or confusio is getting worst for me.
As you suggested me that for engineering profession my skills are assessed on undergraduate degree.I selected Electronics Engineer as profession on SOL.I am doing MEM/MBA from university of wollongong.
But as now i am planning to do master of telecommunication which has more of IT subject and 1 year course.for this i am choosing Computer professional-network security,firewall as profession from MODL.
so my MEM is 1 year and master of telecomm is one year..so now who will access my skills ACS or Engineers Australia.
further are these two degrees be considered as related to each other...or please advise what should i do for PR?
Regards
sachin
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Hi Junaid
Problem or confusio is getting worst for me.
As you suggested me that for engineering profession my skills are assessed on undergraduate degree.I selected Electronics Engineer as profession on SOL.I am doing MEM/MBA from university of wollongong.
But as now i am planning to do master of telecommunication which has more of IT subject and 1 year course.for this i am choosing Computer professional-network security,firewall as profession from MODL.
so my MEM is 1 year and master of telecomm is one year..so now who will access my skills ACS or Engineers Australia.
further are these two degrees be considered as related to each other...or please advise what should i do for PR?
Regards
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Here is what the process is.
1. You apply for positive skills assessment from engineering Australia assessing body.
2. Engineering Australia gives you a positive skills assessment in a particular profession of their own choice depending upon your undergraduate degree.
3. You apply for PR.
4. The immigration department checks the following things
Pre-requisites
i. Have you studied for 92 weeks?
ii.Is the profession you have chosen on the SOL/MODL closely related to the degrees you have done?
iii. Do you have a positive skills assessment from your assessing body?
If the answer to the above questions is YES, then they consider your application.
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As you suggested me that for engineering profession my skills are assessed on undergraduate degree.I selected Electronics Engineer as profession on SOL.I am doing MEM/MBA from university of wollongong.
Yes, you can apply for positive skills assessment to the engineering council of Australia based on your undergraduate electronics engineering degree.
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But as now i am planning to do master of telecommunication which has more of IT subject and 1 year course.for this i am choosing Computer professional-network security,firewall as profession from MODL.
Here is the catch, by studying this degree which has more of IT subjects, you get in trouble with the DIAC because they are NOT CLOSELY related. Your second degree, as per your own saying is more of IT then electronics engineering ( as you want to apply for electronics engineer on the SOL.)
Has IT subjects got any thing to do with electronic engineering?
Secondly please remember, that you can only claim points for MODL professions if you have relevant work experience in them.
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so my MEM is 1 year and master of telecomm is one year..so now who will access my skills ACS or Engineers Australia.
further are these two degrees be considered as related to each other...or please advise what should i do for PR?
Yes you are fulfilling the two yr requirement but in my opinion these two degrees are not CLOSELY related although both have engineering in their names. If the case officer wants to evaluate the relation between the two degrees based on their contents, then you will be in trouble. But if the case officer is a dumb idiot and evaluates the relation between the two degrees based on their names then it would be your lucky day.
You can check this by checking the classification of the degrees on CRICOS website.
Send me the CRICOS codes for both the courses and I will help you out.
In the end it comes to the case officer who is presiding over your case. If he wants to create trouble he can create it.
So why take the risk. Keep it safe.
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I would suggest the following to you
1. Get your positive skills assessment from engineering Australia.
2. Study in an electronics engineering or closely related degree for the next yr e.g. MEM etc.
Apply for PR.
Dont make it complex for yourself.
In any way, you cannot claim points for MODL by simply studying so no use studying that degree.
Check this link which tells you how you can gain points for MODL.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-offer.htm
Hope I have clarified your confusion.
Kind Regards
Junaid
HI Junaid
Thanks for your Prompt Reply.
My undergraduate degree is Electronics and Communication.i have 21 month(june 2005 till mar 2007) experience in system LAN engineer but it will be invalid by the time i complete my course.
My CRICOS for MEM is 051350M
.I can articulate MEM to MBA or MES.
CRICOS for MBA:013031G
CRICOS for MES:058976J
below are th subjects for MBA and subkects for MES are like network security/telecommunication management Etc...
So please simply advise what course should i select..please help
Accounting for Managers
6
Managing People in Organisations
6
Marketing Management
6
TBS905
Economic Analysis of Business
6
TBS906
Information Systems for Managers
6
TBS907
Financial Strategy#
6
TBS909
Corporate Governance
6
TBS920
International Business Strategy*
6
TBS921
Strategic Decision Making*
Regards
sachin
Hi Junaid
This is my third post and i did not get any reply from you.
Please advise that if i do master of Information Technology for 2 years from UTS..and leave my current degree which is master of engineering managemnet now..so then will skills be accesed by ACS or engineers australia.
i am electronics and communication in under graduation.
Regards
sachin
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Hi Junaid
This is my third post and i did not get any reply from you.
Please advise that if i do master of Information Technology for 2 years from UTS..and leave my current degree which is master of engineering managemnet now..so then will skills be accesed by ACS or engineers australia.
i am electronics and communication in under graduation.
Regards
sachin
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Please allow me some time to respond.
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HI Junaid
Thanks for your Prompt Reply.
My undergraduate degree is Electronics and Communication.i have 21 month(june 2005 till mar 2007) experience in system LAN engineer but it will be invalid by the time i complete my course.
My CRICOS for MEM is 051350M
.I can articulate MEM to MBA or MES.
CRICOS for MBA:013031G
CRICOS for MES:058976J
below are th subjects for MBA and subkects for MES are like network security/telecommunication management Etc...
So please simply advise what course should i select..please help
Accounting for Managers
6
Managing People in Organisations
6
Marketing Management
6
TBS905
Economic Analysis of Business
6
TBS906
Information Systems for Managers
6
TBS907
Financial Strategy#
6
TBS909
Corporate Governance
6
TBS920
International Business Strategy*
6
TBS921
Strategic Decision Making*
Regards
sachin
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Sachin
You have given me two CRICOS courses.
Course Name: Master of Engineering Management
CRICOS Course Code: 051350M
Duration: 52 weeks
AND
Course Name: Master of Engineering Studies (Double Major)
CRICOS Course Code: 058976J
Duration: 104 weeks.
I would suggest you only take Mast of Engineering studies, CRICOS code, 058976J.
This course is already classified as 039999 - Engineering and Related Technologies, n.e.c.
N.E.C stands for Not else where classified.
So the CRICOS website is already telling you that this course is recognised by Engineering Australia.
However, there are two problems
1. Engineering Australia assess you based on your under graduate degree. Not postgraduate degree.
2. DIAC requires you to have studied in a course relevant to your chosen profession on the SOL/MODL.
Now your question would be why I am recommending you to take this course?
Right?
Because, of the following reasons
1. You would complete 2 yrs requirement.
2. You would satisfy DIAC's requirement of choosing a profession on SOL/MODL closely related to your studies that is Engineering and Related Technologies, n.e.c.
3. You would easily get positive skills assessment from Engineering Australia because you have a electronics undergraduate degree.
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Please remember that for the immigration officer, it doesn't matter what courses you have studied.
What matter is what is written on the final letter from your university and the assessing body.
And this is the reason I am reluctant to advise you getting yourself assessed from ACS.
Because ACS is mostly concerned with computer science degrees not engineering degrees.
So if your case officer is an idiot, he will start raising objections that your degree is engineering while you are applying for a profession on the SOL/MODL which is related to Computer sciences.
So dont take a risk.
Simply keep it simple.
You can study as many IT subjects as you like in the Engineering and Related Technologies, n.e.c. degree. The case officer will not be concerned with that.
Hope that answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
HI Junaid
Thank you so much for your guidance.another questio rises is MBA?
if i do Master of engineering management(051350M)for 1 year and articulate to MBA(CRICOS:013031G)of 1.5 years.my total education will be 2.5 years.
so if do the above 2 mentioned courses what do you think that DIAC and Engineers australia will take these courses related to my profession.
because when i came from India i made up my mind for MBA but here different people says different things...
Please advise about this.
And if i have to write CDR whom should i get in touch with or how should i start...
I know it must be so many questions for you but there is no body else in australia i can consult..because i have no body here..
waiting for your reply.
Regards and thanks
sachin
@Sachin
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HI Junaid
Thank you so much for your guidance.another questio rises is MBA?
if i do Master of engineering management(051350M)for 1 year and articulate to MBA(CRICOS:013031G)of 1.5 years.my total education will be 2.5 years.
so if do the above 2 mentioned courses what do you think that DIAC and Engineers australia will take these courses related to my profession.
because when i came from India i made up my mind for MBA but here different people says different things...
Please advise about this.
And if i have to write CDR whom should i get in touch with or how should i start...
I know it must be so many questions for you but there is no body else in australia i can consult..because i have no body here..
waiting for your reply.
Regards and thanks
sachin
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If I am you, I would steer clear of any thing to do with MBA.
As I said, do the degree which has the word Engineering in its title.
But when you are studying the courses, you can study as many MBA subjects as you want.
As I explained earlier, the DIAC case officer is not concerned with the contents of your degree.
He just wants you to get a positive skills assessment from Engineering Australia and then chose a relevant profession on the SOL/MODL.
Dont take chances with the immigration department.
Once you get your PR, you can do as many MBAs as you like.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Sachin
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I can send you two CDRs each costing $175. You can use them as a guide.
Both CDRs have been approved by the engineering council of Australia.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid..i am very confused.There is this course in scbit called Bachelor of Applied Computing.I am getting direct entry to 2nd yr which is an Advanced Diploma through my previous qualification.But this Advanced Diploma(CRICOS:054298G)is mentioned as 104 week duration on CRICOS website.Does that mean that through a selective study of some units in 2nd yr+3rd yr(78 weeks as mentioned on CRICOS:053728K)I can complete the requirements of the mandatory 2yr calendar study requirements set by the Government for Pr?You mentioned in ur blog that for IT professionals a degree should be of professional level to qualify for 60 points.But this Advanced diploma is mentioned as Associate level on ACS website.Does that mean that i wont get these 60 points?
plz reply
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hi junaid..i am very confused.There is this course in scbit called Bachelor of Applied Computing.I am getting direct entry to 2nd yr which is an Advanced Diploma through my previous qualification.But this Advanced Diploma(CRICOS:054298G)is mentioned as 104 week duration on CRICOS website.Does that mean that through a selective study of some units in 2nd yr+3rd yr(78 weeks as mentioned on CRICOS:053728K)I can complete the requirements of the mandatory 2yr calendar study requirements set by the Government for Pr?You mentioned in ur blog that for IT professionals a degree should be of professional level to qualify for 60 points.But this Advanced diploma is mentioned as Associate level on ACS website.Does that mean that i wont get these 60 points?
plz reply
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What I understand from your post is that you are enrolled in the following course.
Course Name: Advanced Diploma of Information Technology (E-Business Analysis)
CRICOS Course Code:054298G
Duration (Weeks): 104
Now it will be better not to take any exemption while studying this course however as per rules you can at least take an exemption of one subject. I just giving you an estimate. Give me the weblink for your course and I can tell you the exact number of courses you can get exemption from in the course 054298G.
As this course is a under graduate diploma and also it is a diploma not a degree, that is why it is at an associate level.
ACS has not mentioned what is the difference between associate or professional but certainly you can easily see that 4 yrs courses are assigned a professional level. While diplomas are assigned a associate level.
From a PR point of view if you do this course, you will fulfil the two year requirement but you will run short of 10 points as associate level courses are assigned 50 points. Where as professional level are assigned 60 points.
If you enrol in the course 053728K. Then you do not fulfil the two year requirement. as it is 78 weeks only although it is a bachelor degree.
I tried to lookup the name of your university on the ACS website. I couldnt find it.
Make sure your courses are accredited by ACS, other wise you will have problems getting a positive skills assessment from ACS. If you do not have a positive skills assessment from ACS, DIAC will reject your application.
In short you have to enrol in a course which is of at least 92 weeks or more in duration and is at a professional level.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid..SCBIT runs some Southern Cross affiliated courses.It was previously known as ICHE.On acs:http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=accreditation&temID=accCourses&id=129956 .Link to the course:http://www.scbit.edu.au/uni_bac.htm .Please look into these links.Now my point is if i study the Advanced Diploma(2nd yr)+the 3rd year which is Bachelor of Applied Computing,will the course be assessed as 78 weeks duration or 2yr and professional or associate?How many course exemption i can take in order to fulfill the 92 weeks study period?
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hi junaid..SCBIT runs some Southern Cross affiliated courses.It was previously known as ICHE.On acs:http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=accreditation&temID=accCourses&id=129956 .Link to the course:http://www.scbit.edu.au/uni_bac.htm .Please look into these links.
Now my point is if i study the Advanced Diploma(2nd yr)+the 3rd year which is Bachelor of Applied Computing,will the course be assessed as 78 weeks duration or 2yr and professional or associate?How many course exemption i can take in order to fulfill the 92 weeks study period?
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You cannot study in advanced diploma and bachelors degree at the same time.
Bachelors degree is for 78 weeks.
The diploma is for 104 weeks.
Although both of them share the same subjects, but to complete the two year requirement you have to study more subjects. This means that by the end of 78 weeks you will have completed your bachelors degree but to fulfil the two year requirement you have to study more.
As mentioned earlier, you can take an exemption of one subject ONLY.
Hope that answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid.my wife is palnning to study in jcu brisbane for mpa/mba course with comprises of 16 subjects and 6 trimesters(4 months each).there is option to fast track it and complete in 4 trimesters(16 months).will she become eligible for PR if she completes it in 16 months.do reply.waitingfor ur advice
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hi junaid.my wife is palnning to study in jcu brisbane for mpa/mba course with comprises of 16 subjects and 6 trimesters(4 months each).there is option to fast track it and complete in 4 trimesters(16 months).will she become eligible for PR if she completes it in 16 months.do reply.waitingfor ur advice
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Check the total duration of the course your wife is going to enrol in by visiting the website
http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/?Redirect=Y
If the total duration is equal to or more then 92 weeks, and your wife completes the course in the less 92 weeks, she will be still eligible for PR.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi, the university i'm interested in enrolling requires to enrol 1.5 year master's program first then if I study successfully in the first year i am eligible to articulate advanced program which is 0,5 year. if i do the latter, do i need to provide same documents (like financial) again for renewing my visa?
thank you very much.
@Baggi
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hi, the university i'm interested in enrolling requires to enrol 1.5 year master's program first then if I study successfully in the first year i am eligible to articulate advanced program which is 0,5 year. if i do the latter, do i need to provide same documents (like financial) again for renewing my visa?
thank you very much.
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It depends upon the case officer.
When I was renewing my visa, my case officer did ask for financial documents because I was renewing my visa for one yr.
My friend who was renewing his visa for 6 months was not asked for providing financial documents.
Kind Regards
Junaid
thanx for ur reply.i checked the duration.its 104 weeks.but by fast tracking it she can complete in 16 months(64 weeks approx.)do u think it can create any sort of problem later on in getting PR.can she apply for PR if she completes it in 16 months.im a bit confused and if its true its very good as it wud save our 8 months.lookin for ur advice.
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thanx for ur reply.i checked the duration.its 104 weeks.but by fast tracking it she can complete in 16 months(64 weeks approx.)do u think it can create any sort of problem later on in getting PR.can she apply for PR if she completes it in 16 months.im a bit confused and if its true its very good as it wud save our 8 months.lookin for ur advice.
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As per the DIAC website,
"It is a measure of the amount of study you have completed rather than how long it took you to complete the study."
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-study.htm
What matters how much amount of study you have completed and NOT how much time you took to complete the study.
So if you complete a degree of 10 yrs in 1 yr, you will still be considered as having completed a degree of 10 yrs. Not 1 yr.
Similarly if you fail 10 times and complete a degree of 1 yr in 10 yrs, you will still be considered as having completed the degree in 1yr.
However, if you take any prior exemptions and reduce the amount of actual time to 91 or less then 91 weeks, then you will be in trouble.
Since the duration of the course is 104 weeks, you can get an exemption for only one subject.
Total amount of time = 102 weeks
Total number of subjects = 16
Week per subject = 102/16 = 6.375
So when you study one subject, you complete 6.375 weeks out of the 92 weeks.
So if you get an exemption of one subject, the total amount of time you would have studied would be 102 - 6.375 = 95.625 weeks.
Which means that you can
1. Take an exemption for only one subject in this course
2. You can complete the course in any amount of time whether earlier or later
and still be eligible for PR as per the current rules and regulations.
Kind Regards
Junaid
thank you very much for your prompt reply, i should have asked you following ones earlier with the previous question. If i have my visa renewed for 6 months do I get "no further stay" condition attached with my visa? does it depend on the type of the course: master's advanced or just postgraduate certificate? or is it attached for any course that is less than a year?
thank you.
@Baggi
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thank you very much for your prompt reply, i should have asked you following ones earlier with the previous question. If i have my visa renewed for 6 months do I get "no further stay" condition attached with my visa? does it depend on the type of the course: master's advanced or just postgraduate certificate? or is it attached for any course that is less than a year?
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No further stay is normally stamped on the visas of those who are applying from outside Australia and getting a visa for less then 6 months or less.
But still be careful just in case your case officer decides to stamp it on your one too.
Even if he does, you can apply for another student visa or graduate skilled visa.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Dear Brother,
If I do one year Cert III in a subject and then do one year cert IV in same subject.is this fulfill the two yrs study requirement..I mean Cert III for one+cert IV one year,total two year and two degree.
Regards
Nazmul
@Nazmul
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Dear Brother,
If I do one year Cert III in a subject and then do one year cert IV in same subject.is this fulfill the two yrs study requirement..I mean Cert III for one+cert IV one year,total two year and two degree.
Regards
Nazmul
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Is the course, you intend to study in, listed on this website
cricos.dest.gov.au/
If yes, what is the course code?
If your course code is not listed on the CRICOS website, then, after completing your studies in the course you are considering, you will not be eligible to apply for PR.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hey
i have done Masters Of Accounting from CQu university which is registered as 104 weeks.on my completion letter following is the statement stated:
"on 4th july 2008,Nikhil Gupta completed the requirements for Masters Of Accounting with an award conferral date of 21st july 2008.
Nikhil Gupta commenced studeis in the 2 years full time degree Master Of Accounting on 5th March 2007."
I just wanna ask whether i am eligible for 2 year study rule as i m confused that which date from the above statement(conferral or completion) Australian government will consider for my application for PR or TR.
I will be really grateful to you if u solve my problem
Waiting for ur reply
Nikhil Gupta
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hey
i have done Masters Of Accounting from CQu university which is registered as 104 weeks.on my completion letter following is the statement stated:
"on 4th july 2008,Nikhil Gupta completed the requirements for Masters Of Accounting with an award conferral date of 21st july 2008.
Nikhil Gupta commenced studeis in the 2 years full time degree Master Of Accounting on 5th March 2007."
I just wanna ask whether i am eligible for 2 year study rule as i m confused that which date from the above statement(conferral or completion) Australian government will consider for my application for PR or TR.
I will be really grateful to you if u solve my problem
Waiting for ur reply
Nikhil Gupta
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@Nikhil
Did you complete the studies earlier? Like in 1.5 years.
If you have completed a 2 year degree in 1.5 years, it would be still considered as 2 years.
This is what the immigration department web site says.
"Two (2) academic years study means the equivalent of two (2) years study enrolled at 100% of a full time load. It is a measure of the amount of study you have completed rather than how long it took you to complete the study."
So if you have completed a two years degree, even if you did that in one year, then you are eligible for applying for PR.(For TR there is a different requirement and the two year rule doesnt apply for TR.)
Kind Regards
Junaid
but then junaid why its written that if u undertake summer semester n complete less then 16 months u can't apply for PR.actually i started the course on 5th march 2007 n completed on 4th July 2008 with conferral date on 21st july. on Cricos site the course is for 104 weeks n its also stated in Completion letter
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but then junaid why its written that if u undertake summer semester n complete less then 16 months u can't apply for PR.actually i started the course on 5th march 2007 n completed on 4th July 2008 with conferral date on 21st july. on Cricos site the course is for 104 weeks n its also stated in Completion letter
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Where does it say that?
Rather the following is written on the website.
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/2-year-study.htm
To meet this requirement, you must have completed in no less than 16 calendar months, either:
I guess you have studied for 16 months. Right?
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid ! It is very interesting for me to find a blog like this!. Can I ask you a question?
I finish graduate certificate for 0.5 years and now doing a master for 1.5 year, so am I a subject to 2 year study rule. Actually, my Master is 2 years but I got an exemption of 4 units from the graduate certificate so I just need to finish 12 units (1.5 years) to finish my current master.
Thank you very much!.
@Pikachu
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Hi Junaid ! It is very interesting for me to find a blog like this!. Can I ask you a question?
I finish graduate certificate for 0.5 years and now doing a master for 1.5 year, so am I a subject to 2 year study rule. Actually, my Master is 2 years but I got an exemption of 4 units from the graduate certificate so I just need to finish 12 units (1.5 years) to finish my current master.
Thank you very much!.
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Hi Pikachu
Your case is a little bit twisted in one way.
If you read the actual legislation on the following page
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-study.htm
It says
Each qualification that you have completed and are relying on to meet this requirement must:
be either a degree, a diploma, or a trade qualification
have been undertaken at an Australian educational institution in Australia
have been conducted in English
be registered on CRICOS
So as per the legislation your graduate certificate is not counted in the list of education you have completed. Only degrees, diplomas or trade certificates are counted, however, because the graduate certificate you completed counted towards the Masters degree you later on completed, I would say that you have a case.
If as per legislation your certificate is not counted then you have to study additional subjects and do at least a diploma (get exemption based on your prior studies and finish a one yr diploma in 6 months instead of one year.)
However, if some how you can argue your case and get your certificate counted, which I dont think is possible, then you can apply for PR.
I would suggest you contact a lawyer before you proceed as lodging an application when pre-requisites are not met can mean that your application is rejected at a later stage and a waste of $2000 application fees.
Let me know if you want to contact a lawyer. Send me your email address.
PS: Please also remember that all your degrees/diplomas/trade certificates must be closely related to the profession you chose on the SOL.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I am studying Monash's IT Bachelor course. Due to the credit transfer from my home country, they had admitted and granted me 60 credit point examption. The requirement credit point to graduate is 144. This ended up that I need to study 84 credit point or 14 unit.
As an international student, I taking full load which is 4 unit per semester. So, I have 4,4,4 and 2 unit for last semester. The CoE shown that my ciyrse stater date as 16/07/2007 and coyrse end date is 31/07/2009. Do I meet the require of Australia's Two Year Rule" ?
Besides, the rule only stated two year study period. Does not say about holiday. If I go back my home country for summer around 3 months (110 days) , does it affect my requirement ?
Thanks in advance
Hey
I was doing IMBA from griffith university which is 2 yrs but it had a requirement of maintaining a GPA of 4.5 but I failed in 1 subject due to which GPA fell below 4.5 and I have to leave the course with a graduate diploma but for this diploma I have to repeat 1 subject in this semester and then I can do another course so my question is that doing just 1 subject this semester would affect 2 yr rule or not as it stands in middle of my 2 yr studies.
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Hi Junaid,
I am studying Monash's IT Bachelor course. Due to the credit transfer from my home country, they had admitted and granted me 60 credit point examption. The requirement credit point to graduate is 144. This ended up that I need to study 84 credit point or 14 unit.
As an international student, I taking full load which is 4 unit per semester. So, I have 4,4,4 and 2 unit for last semester. The CoE shown that my ciyrse stater date as 16/07/2007 and coyrse end date is 31/07/2009. Do I meet the require of Australia's Two Year Rule" ?
Besides, the rule only stated two year study period. Does not say about holiday. If I go back my home country for summer around 3 months (110 days) , does it affect my requirement ?
Thanks in advance
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From your information, here is what I know about the degree you are doing.
1. The total number of units in the degree are 24.
2. You are supposed to do only 14 units as you have an exemption for 10 units.
3. The actual duration of the degree you are enrolled in is 3.42 years or approx 3.5 years OR 178.28 weeks.
4. So as per the immigration departments website, http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-study.htm,
you are supposed to study at least 14 subjects to be able to fulfill the two year study requirement.
24 subjects divided by 3.5 yrs is 6.85 subjects per year OR 6.85 multiplied by 2 is equal to 13.71 subjects in two years or approx 14 subjects.
So as far as the two year requirement is required, you are on track to fulfill the two year requirement.
However, I am not sure if studying only 2 subjects in the last semester would affect your fulfilling the pre-requisite or not as it is necessary to have studied on a full time load in every semester.
Please confirm this issue with a qualified lawyer.
Just to recap every thing I have said.
1. You only need to study 14 subjects in your current degree to be able to fulfill the two year requirement.
2. You should confirm with some one if studying only two subjects in the last semester would affect your application for PR.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Rohit
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Hey
I was doing IMBA from griffith university which is 2 yrs but it had a requirement of maintaining a GPA of 4.5 but I failed in 1 subject due to which GPA fell below 4.5 and I have to leave the course with a graduate diploma but for this diploma I have to repeat 1 subject in this semester and then I can do another course so my question is that doing just 1 subject this semester would affect 2 yr rule or not as it stands in middle of my 2 yr studies.
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So you are saying that by the end of two years, you will have two degrees/diplomas? Right?
And each degree/diploma will have taken 2 yrs to complete . A total of two yrs.
No, doing this one course will have no effect on your PR application as you fulfill the two yr study requirement.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi junaid,
i was just going through the comments posted on your blogs. I just needed a help from your side regarding a best lawyer whom you know is fully knowledgeable. can you provide me the one?
my mail i.d. is
email- kniure@yahoo.com
your response will be highly appreciated.
regards
raj
hi junaid,
its a best blog you have created. i have learnt a lot from the comments posted in it.
I have to make some clarifications regarding my 2year studies program.
In the beginning when i came to australia, i had enrolled in Master of accountancy 2 years course with 16 units altogether.
out of that i completed 6 units and opted to exit for graduate diploma in accounting which is of 1 year cricos registered i.e. 52 weeks, without any exemptions.
I then changed to another course provider with same Master of accountancy 2 year program with 12 units in the program. ( note the difference between the two uni, the earlier one was offering 16units and this one is offering 12 units with same 2 year duration)
this uni. gave me exemptions only for 5 out of 6 units which i had done in old uni. Now i have to do 7 units in this new uni. to complete my masters. My question here is that whether can i take 1 more exemption from my overseas education and still satisfy the 2 year requirement of 92 weeks for PR?
course registered is for 104weeks.
your suggestion will be warmly welcomed.
Thanks & Regards
Bhatt
Hi junaid,
i was just going through the comments posted on your blogs. I just needed a help from your side regarding a best lawyer whom you know is fully knowledgeable. can you provide me the one?
my mail i.d. is
email- kniure@yahoo.com
your response will be highly appreciated.
regards
raj
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@Raj
Dr Arun Garg
www.auslead.com
I used his services when applying myself and for my brother.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Bhatt
hi junaid,
its a best blog you have created. i have learnt a lot from the comments posted in it.
I have to make some clarifications regarding my 2year studies program.
In the beginning when i came to australia, i had enrolled in Master of accountancy 2 years course with 16 units altogether.
out of that i completed 6 units and opted to exit for graduate diploma in accounting which is of 1 year cricos registered i.e. 52 weeks, without any exemptions.
I then changed to another course provider with same Master of accountancy 2 year program with 12 units in the program. ( note the difference between the two uni, the earlier one was offering 16units and this one is offering 12 units with same 2 year duration)
this uni. gave me exemptions only for 5 out of 6 units which i had done in old uni. Now i have to do 7 units in this new uni. to complete my masters. My question here is that whether can i take 1 more exemption from my overseas education and still satisfy the 2 year requirement of 92 weeks for PR?
course registered is for 104weeks.
your suggestion will be warmly welcomed.
Thanks & Regards
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@Bhatt
You fulfill the two year requirement if the following is true.
1. You studied in a graduate diploma in accounting in your first year.
2. You exited the program and went to another degree, Masters of accounting.
3. The second degree you are doing is registered as 104 weeks.
4. You have been given an exemption of 5 units out of a total of 12 units by the new uni you are studying at.
Now lets do the calculation
Your new course is of 104 weeks in which you have to study 12 subjects.
You have already studied for 52 weeks from your previous study.
You need to study for another 92 - 52 = 40 weeks.
So you need to know how many subjects from your new degree equate to 40 weeks.
So according to calculations in your new degree:
you need to study (12/104) X 40 = 4.61 approx = 5 subjects to fulfill the 2 year study requirement.
So if you can get your new diploma/degree after 5 subjects, then you can save money, get degree and still fulfill the two year requirement.
The only problem would be whether you would be still be studying under a full time load or not?
So try to do things which satisfy all of the following
1. You fulfill the two year study requirement.
2. You study under a full time load.
3. All your studies are closely related with each other as well as the profession you chose on the SOL/MODL.
To briefly answer your question, Yes you can take exemption for another subject.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
I arrived in Australia in October 2007 for the summer semester studies and have completed my Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) in June 2008. To get PR, and to complete my 2 year studies, i am pursuing Masters in Marketing (8units) from QUT, Brisbane. This was actually a 3 semester course but i got 48 credit points exempted from my under-graduate studies from overseas. [ I can forward you the offer letter/COE, if you want to have a look at it.]
At this moment, some word of advice from you would be highly appreciated :
1. Will the Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) + Masters in Marketing (8units) be sufficient for me to satisfy the 2 year study rule. [counting from October 2007 to June 2009]
2. Will the under-graduate exemtions cause any problems for TR or PR ?
3. Any other condition i need to satisfy in order to get a TR ( 18 months visa) ?
Thanks heaps.
Cheers,
Praveen.
*Praveen
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Hi Junaid,
I arrived in Australia in October 2007 for the summer semester studies and have completed my Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) in June 2008. To get PR, and to complete my 2 year studies, i am pursuing Masters in Marketing (8units) from QUT, Brisbane. This was actually a 3 semester course but i got 48 credit points exempted from my under-graduate studies from overseas. [ I can forward you the offer letter/COE, if you want to have a look at it.]
At this moment, some word of advice from you would be highly appreciated :
1. Will the Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) + Masters in Marketing (8units) be sufficient for me to satisfy the 2 year study rule. [counting from October 2007 to June 2009]
2. Will the under-graduate exemtions cause any problems for TR or PR ?
3. Any other condition i need to satisfy in order to get a TR ( 18 months visa) ?
Thanks heaps.
Cheers,
Praveen.
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@Praveen
I arrived in Australia in October 2007 for the summer semester studies and have completed my Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) in June 2008.
What is the official duration of this graduate diploma on the CRICOS website? Let me know and I will be able to answer you then.
To get PR, and to complete my 2 year studies, i am pursuing Masters in Marketing (8units) from QUT, Brisbane. This was actually a 3 semester course but i got 48 credit points exempted from my under-graduate studies from overseas.
Again, What is the official duration of this Masters degree which you are doing right now from Brisbane University?
If I am not wrong, each subject/unit in this course is worth 6 points, a total of 72 points, 12 subjects/units.
You are getting an exemption of 8 subjects (48 credit points.)
So you are only studying the remaining 4 subjects. Right?
If that is the case, then you do not fulfill the two year requirement as the immigration department website clearly mentions that the total period of time officially required to complete a diploma/degree must be at least 92 weeks.
The total time required for you to complete your current degree is not 92 weeks or more since you have taken exemptions.
1. Will the Graduate Diploma in International Business (8 units) + Masters in Marketing (8units) be sufficient for me to satisfy the 2 year study rule. [counting from October 2007 to June 2009]
The first graduate diploma you did in international business was of one year.
What is the total duration of the second Masters degree you are doing? When I say total duration, I mean the total duration it is taking you to complete the Masters degree, not the actual total duration of the degree itself.
2. Will the under-graduate exemtions cause any problems for TR or PR ?
Yes, they will cause a problem if you do not fulfill the two year requirement.
3. Any other condition i need to satisfy in order to get a TR ( 18 months visa) ?
You need to have studied for two years as a full time international student to be eligible for the graduate skilled visa.
I am still not sure about your second degree.
Send me both the official durations of the degree as shown on the CRICOS website and as well as the time taken by you to complete them.
Send me some thing in the following format.
1. Official duration
Duration taken by me
2. Official duration
Duration taken by me
Kind Regards
Junaid
i am in diploma in networking which is at tafe
duration of it is 2 years full time
can i apply for pr after diploma
which is 2 year full time
and can it give me 40 points
and as i am 25 yrs old it gives me 30 points
25 for ielts
5 for australian studies
10 for work expreance in my field
10 for future job offer letter.
plz reply if some one knows about it as i am not yet cleared about it
my mail is zipzap_kill@yahoo.com
@Anup
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i am in diploma in networking which is at tafe
duration of it is 2 years full time
can i apply for pr after diploma
which is 2 year full time
and can it give me 40 points
and as i am 25 yrs old it gives me 30 points
25 for ielts
5 for australian studies
10 for work expreance in my field
10 for future job offer letter.
plz reply if some one knows about it as i am not yet cleared about it
my mail is zipzap_kill@yahoo.com
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Yes you can apply for PR after studying for two years and completing your diploma/degree.
Whether you will get 40 points or not depends what profession you select on the SOL and then whether your assessing body gives you a positive skills assessment based on your studies.
So check the website of ACS and see whether the degree/diploma you are doing is listed on their website and what is the skills level assigned to it. Associate or professional.
25 for ielts
5 for australian studies
10 for work expreance in my field
10 for future job offer letter.
You will get 25 points for IELTS only if you get 7 band in all modules of general or academic version of the test.
You will get work experience points only if you have worked for 1 yr in the past 2 years in your field of profession you selected on the SOL. Any previous work will not be counted.
You will only get points for job offer letter if you are offered a job.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
just wanted to know that once we get state sponsorship, do we have to work in the same field as we had obtained from skill assessment authority.
Your response will be apprecaited.
cheers
Raj
@Raj
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hi junaid,
just wanted to know that once we get state sponsorship, do we have to work in the same field as we had obtained from skill assessment authority.
Your response will be apprecaited.
cheers
Raj
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@Raj
The only condition which will be imposed on you will be 8539 which says that
While the holder is in Australia, the holder must live, study and work only in an area specified by the Minister in an instrument in writing for item 6A1001 of Schedule 6A, as in force:
(a) when the visa was granted; or
(b) if the holder has held more than 1 visa that is subject to this condition — when the first of those visas was granted.
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So it is not necessary that you work in the profession you selected for sponsorship however you must work full time and live in the specified area for at least 24 months out of which you must work full time for at least 12 months.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Raj
The information I provided above is only applicable if you have visa 475.
What visa did you apply for?
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
it is the option, when one could not score 7bands each and then move to regional area under state/territory nomination,sponsored visa. Hope i was right when i had raised the query..?
cheers
raj
@Raj
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hi junaid,
it is the option, when one could not score 7bands each and then move to regional area under state/territory nomination,sponsored visa. Hope i was right when i had raised the query..?
cheers
raj
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@Raj
If you are applying from overseas, you will be applying for 176.
If you get 176, then the following conditions apply
If you are nominated by a State or Territory government, you need to agree to:
* remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years
* keep the State or Territory government informed of changes in address details before and after arrival
If you are applying from onshore, you will be applying for 886.
If you get 886, then the following conditions will apply
If you are nominated by a State or Territory government, you need to agree to:
* remain in the State or Territory for a period of at least two (2) years
* keep the State or Territory government informed of changes in address details before and after visa grant.
Hope this answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
so what about the work that we have to do. is it a skilled work or from the field that we have obtained assessment or any type of work for 1 year full time out of 2 years..?
cheers
raj
@Raj
From the immigration regulations, I didnt find any restrictions regarding type of work being under taken.
If the department objects to the type of work you do; such a decision can be challenged in the court.
However, this is only my opinion.
I would suggest you double check this with Dr Arun Garg.
www.auslead.com
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi, i am going to finish my MBA on Dec of 2008, my husband is also with me in depandent visa and he is working full time. our visa finishes on March 15th of 2009. we already applied for PR. i wouldn't expect the PR result before my visa expired. So could i apply for TR? my MBA Cricos code is registered as 104 weeks and i am a full time student. But when i finish my course on Dec, i will have finished 16months. am i eligible for PR? if so, can my husband BE able to work full time in TR?
Regards.
@Anonymous
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hi, i am going to finish my MBA on Dec of 2008, my husband is also with me in depandent visa and he is working full time. our visa finishes on March 15th of 2009. we already applied for PR. i wouldn't expect the PR result before my visa expired. So could i apply for TR? my MBA Cricos code is registered as 104 weeks and i am a full time student. But when i finish my course on Dec, i will have finished 16months. am i eligible for PR? if so, can my husband BE able to work full time in TR?
Regards.
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What PR sub class have you already applied for?
I think you must have applied for offshore migration visa subclass 175 or 176.
Once you finish your MBA, you would be able to apply for graduate skilled visa subclass 485 graduate skilled visa.
You can also apply for PR but since you have already applied for PR, there is no need to apply again.
You can still apply for the visa even if you have finished a two year degree in 16 months.
Graduate skilled visa is for 18 months and allows you and your spouse to have unlimited work rights.
Hope this answers the question.
Hey mate, could you please help me? I have just completed my commerce degree at USYD (3 year, full time).
However, I cannot apply for Sub 885 at the moment as I cannot meet the pass mark of 120. Therefore, I decide to do the 'Professional Year program', which takes me another one year to complete and this could give me 10 points.
My question is: by the time I finish my Professional year program (one year after my university degree), Do i still meet the two year study requirement? ( I am worrying about this as the professional year program is non-CRICOS course, This would mean I don't qualify to claim any point for 2 year study as I wouldn't be able to submit within 6 months after I complete my university degree。）
Please help me to claim that. Thx in advance!
@Suck
Before I answer your question, let me tell you that you can only study in a professional year approved by the Immigration department. If you study in a professional yr not approved by the DIAC, ... bad luck.
Check this link on which professional yr is approved and which is not
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/professional-year.htm
Now, you can only study in a professional program if you are on a 485 visa or a Bridging class A visa.
Here is the proof
http://www.international.swinburne.edu.au/courses/professional-year-program/program-content/
Now once you finish your DIAC certified professional yr, you will apply for your 885 or 886 visa not as an international student but as the holder of a 485 visa.
In that case you wont be required to fulfil the two year requirement.
Hope this answers your question.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Suck
Here is another link explaining how you can apply for a professional yr and which visa you are supposed to be on.
http://www.acs.org.au/index.cfm?action=show&conID=pyparticipantfaq
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hey mate, I really appreciate your previous response! Just one last question: Regarding to the two year study requirement, you said to me that when I apply for 885, I do not need to meet this requirement if I am a holder of 485 as I am not an international student any more.
However, I couldn't meet the pass mark （120） if I am not be able to get 5 points from two year study requirement (Australia qualification).
Here is my calculation:
age: 30
Occupation: 60
IELTS: 15
Professional year: 10
Australia qualification (as a result of two year study): 5
Total： 120
As you can see, that 5 points are very important for me. So would I be able to get 5 points after the completion of Professional year Program? Thx in advance.
@Suck
If you visit the following URL
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-applicant.htm
You will see that you have three options to apply for 885. As an international student, as a holder of 485 visa and as a holder of Trade skills training visa.
Now if you check the requirements of applying as an international student and check the requirements of applying as a holder of 485 visa you will see the difference that when you apply as an international student, you are required to meet the 2 yr study requirement.
But when you apply as a 485 visa holder, you are not required to meet the 2 yr requirement.
The points you are mentioning can still be obtained if you are applying as a 485 visa holder as it simply says that
"You have met the two (2) year study requirement. 5"
It doesn't place any time restrictions.
The time restrictions are only in the case of applying for 885 within 6 months if you are applying as an international student.
You can claim points for Australian qualifications even after 20 yrs provided the qualification was a result of two yrs of study in Australia from a CRICOS certified course and all instructions were in English.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hey Junaid, My English is not very good, so one sentence has confused me.
Regarding to 'two year study requirement', the website says:
'You must have met this eligibility requirement in the six (6) months immediately before the date of making your application.'
I don't understand why such statement is here.
Does it mean I must apply for independent skilled migration visa within 6 months after the graduation?
Thank you very much.
@Wei
Yes you must lodge an application within 6 months of the end of your studies.
End is defined as the day your results were released officially by the university.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
First, thanks for helping. I started a 2 years course in march 2007 and end in november 08. we are supposed to take 4 units per semester and i did take 4 units every summer except the last semester where i took 3 subjects. however, i did take one subject during summer 2009. I failed 3 units and intent to take 2 of them at another university starting from march 2009 to june 2009. by the time i finish my course, it would have taken me 2.5 years to complete my 2 years course. do u think i will be eligible to apply for pr if i take some of units i failed at another university? thank u again. take care..
dear juniad,
Firstly, thanks for your great help!
I have undertaken master of financial analysis from UNSW 2007 july to 2008 july (1 year)(8units) and then i enrolled in tafe course diploma in business (.5months) and certificate IV in business(.5months) (10 months altogether)
I am eligible for 2 year PR requirements?
@Eric
What is the degree you will get at the end of your 2.5 yrs?
Give me the CRICOS code of the degree you will get at the end of 2.5 yrs and I will be able to tell whether you will be eligible for PR or not.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@^^
dear juniad,
Firstly, thanks for your great help!
I have undertaken master of financial analysis from UNSW 2007 july to 2008 july (1 year)(8units) and then i enrolled in tafe course diploma in business (.5months) and certificate IV in business(.5months) (10 months altogether)
I am eligible for 2 year PR requirements?
So you studied
1. 1 yrs Masters from July 2007 to July 2008
2. 5 Months of TAFE diploma
3. 5 months certificate IV
Now there is one problem.
For all professional professions on the SOL like accountant , IT professional etc, you need to have studied for two yrs in a degree, diploma. NOT A CERTIFICATE. Certificates are not counted towards the two yr rule.
What you need to do is to enrol in another diploma and get exemptions based on your certificate and complete the diploma in 5 months instead of one yr.
Secondly are you sure that the diploma you studied in was a diploma and not a certificate because normally diplomas are of one yr. Not 6 months.
Also you need to make sure that all the courses you studied in are CRICOS certified.
If you can give me the CRICOS codes of all the degress/diplomas you have studied in, I will be able to give you a better answer.
Please also read the two yr rule for a clear understanding of the law.
So briefly, right now you are not eligible to apply for PR as you dont fulfil the two yr rule.
Kind Regards
Junaid
dear junaid,
I am sure 1 is diploma and 1 is certificate iv. As you said i will do anoter diploma, but is financial analysis and buiness diploma closely nominated and also, sir can i do a diploma after my masters becoz my i heard it will not add to my 2 years if i downgrade from master to diploma. and can i apply for PR before i finsih my studies
http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=63920, link to my first course
the diploma in buiness
http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=63772
second cource
@^^
You have sent me two links.
One is for a diploma the other is for a certificate. So that certificate will not be counted. Try taking additional subjects and convert the certificate into a diploma too.
I remember you mentioning a degree. Was that degree a undergraduate degree or a post graduate degree?
The rule is that all your studies have to be at the same level. So you cannot study in a masters degree and then to fulfil the two years rule study in an undergraduate diploma or degree.
You must then study in a higher level of program.
So if your 1st degree was a post graduate degree, then the rest of diplomas must be also at the post graduate diplomas.
But if your first degree was at the under graduate level then your diplomas can be under graduate level too.
Hope this helps
Kind Regards
Junaid
dear sir,
rather a unusual question, i first applied for finance masters in monash which is for just 1 year,now i wish to do MBA , i would wana know if i have to change my visa now or later second if i need to show the funds for 2 years rather than 1 year (for visa requirements)
hi junaid, thanks for replying. the course is master of accounting and financial managment. the cricos code is 00115M.
dear sir,
rather a unusual question, i first applied for finance masters in monash which is for just 1 year,now i wish to do MBA , i would wana know if i have to change my visa now or later second if i need to show the funds for 2 years rather than 1 year (for visa requirements)
If you initially enrolled in a one year course then your visa will be of one yr.
So if you again want to enroll in another degree you will have to renew your visa and go through the same process again.
Yes you need to show funds worth 2 yrs if your degree is of two yrs.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Eric
I am unable to search using that number given.
CRICOS code is 7 characters long. Not six.
Please also mention what your question is since I receive a high volume of email and dont remember previous cases.
Kind Regards
Junaid
. Junaid, i had explained my problem as follow: I started a 2 years course in march 2007 and end in november 08. we are supposed to take 4 units per semester and i did take 4 units every summer except the last semester where i took 3 subjects. however, i did take one subject during summer 2009. I failed 3 units and intent to take 2 of them at another university starting from march 2009 to june 2009. by the time i finish my course, it would have taken me 2.5 years to complete my 2 years course. do u think i will be eligible to apply for pr if i take some of units i failed at another university? thank u again. take care.
u asked me to provide you with the course and cricos number: the course is master of accounting and financial managment. i check again for the cricos code and it is : 00115m. it says cricos provide code on the course description.
@Eric
The first problem is that I am unable to search the course on the CRICOS website
Go to this link and try searching using the course CRICOS ID
http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/Course/CourseSearch.aspx
You will get an error saying that incomplete number of characters.
Ok Now I remember you.
All you need to do is
1. Check the CIRCOS code of the degree that you will be given finally when you finish your 2.5 yrs study.
2. Put that CRICOS code in the link I gave you and check the duration of the course.
If the duration of the course is more then 92 weeks then you are eligible for PR. If not then you are not eligible for PR.
Kind Regards
Junaid
hi junaid,
this was my problem:unaid, i had explained my problem as follow: I started a 2 years course in march 2007 and end in november 08. we are supposed to take 4 units per semester and i did take 4 units every summer except the last semester where i took 3 subjects. however, i did take one subject during summer 2009. I failed 3 units and intent to take 2 of them at another university starting from march 2009 to june 2009. by the time i finish my course, it would have taken me 2.5 years to complete my 2 years course. do u think i will be eligible to apply for pr if i take some of units i failed at another university? thank u again. take care.
assuming the cricos code is valid and the course is 92 weeks. does that mean i can take the 3 subjects i failed at another institution? i already completed 2 years of study and will need one more semester to finish my course.
@Eric
You do not need to go into that much detail.
Just look up the duration of the degree that you will ultimately get when you finish your study.
If its a valid CRICOS code then why can I not search it on the CRICOS website?
Either you are giving me an invalid course ID or that course is not CRICOS.
Just check what is the duration of the degree that you will finally get on the CRICOS website. If the duration is more then 92 weeks, then you are eligible for PR if not then you are not eligible.
Changing institutions doesn't matter.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid
I am 42 years of age (23 Jan Bday) applying for a 2 year Master of Professional Accounting in CSU starting July 2009. Which means I will be completing the course when I am 45. At the end of the course I qualify for a CPA qualification.
Will I be able to apply for PR on the basis of the qualification assuming I complete the course successfully by Jul 2011? What are my chances of getting a PR at that time?
Thank you for your response in advance
Hi Junaid,
I must applaud you for taking the effort in answering everyone's enquiries in such detailed manner.
I have completed my Master of International Business at an Australian university. The CRICOS code for my course is 054753A and it is registered as a 104-week course. Please refer to: http://cricos.deewr.gov.au/Course/CourseDetails.aspx?CourseID=54753
On my CoE, I was given 1.5 years to complete the course. The postgraduate programs at UniSA are conducted on the basis of 4 terms a year (1 term is equivalent to 3 months). My course consisted of 12 subjects. I took 2 subjects in each term so I managed to complete my studies in 1.5 years (6 terms). There was only a one-month holiday during the 1.5 years.
I understand from the DIAC website that in order to meet the 2-year study requirement, I must undertake a 2-year full time study at an Australian university and the study must be completed in no less than 16 academic months.
Am I eligible to apply for PR/TR? I am intending to apply for either visa subclass 885 or 485. I have called the DIAC several times to enquire about this but the operators that I spoke to could not give me a valid answer.Please advise. Thank you very much.
Regards,
Flo
@Sundersank
If you visit the following webpage
http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-age.htm
You can see the following break down for age
18 to 29 years 30
30 to 34 years 25
35 to 39 years 20
40 to 44 years 15
Once you cross 44 that is you make it to your 45th birthday, you become 45 yrs old.
So if you can lodge your application a day before your 45th birthday, you can still get 15 points for age.
But if you lodge it on or after your 45th Birthday, then you cannot apply for PR.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Flo
I dont understand why you got a visa of 16 months when the official duration of the course is 104 weeks?
Any way, If a course is CRICOS registered for 92 weeks (2 years) and consists of 12 units, 100% of full-time enrolment would equate to 6 units per year.
Your course was a 2 yrs course and you were required to complete 12 subjects. So if you took 6 subjects per yr, then you fulfill the 100% load requirement.
But I find it strange that you were given 16 months to finish the course where as the course itself is 24 months course.
Last of all if you fulfill the requirements below, you can apply for PR/TR
A person satisfies the 2 year study requirement if the person satisfies the Minister that the person has completed 1 or more degrees, diplomas or trade qualifications for award by an Australian educational institution as a result of a course or courses:
(a) that are registered courses; and
(b) that were completed in a total of at least 16 calendar months; and
(c) that were completed as a result of a total of at least 2 academic years study; and
(d) for which all instruction was conducted in English; and
(e) that the applicant undertook while in Australia as the holder of a visa authorising the applicant to study.
Hope this helps.
Please note that there are other things to be considered while applying for PR/TR. Right now I have only talked to the two yr requirement.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I also have no idea why I was only given 1.5 years to study even though it was a 2-year course.
I am a little confused about these two points:
(b) that were completed in a total of at least 16 calendar months; and
(c) that were completed as a result of a total of at least 2 academic years study
Must I complete my studies in at least 16 months or 2 years?
Regards,
Flo
@Flo
(b) that were completed in a total of at least 16 calendar months; and
This point means that you can enroll in a 2 yr course but you cannot finish it in less then 16 months. For example if you enroll in a 14 subjects degree of two yrs you can complete it in one yr by studying 6 subjects in a semester and 2 subjects in the summer.
Although you would have studied a 2 yr degree but then you would have finished it earlier then 16 months and the 2 yr rule will not be fulfilled.
(c) that were completed as a result of a total of at least 2 academic years study
2 yrs of academic study means that you finishes a course which is registered as 92 weeks with CRICOS. You can finish the course earlier in 16 months but you would have still studied 2 ACADEMIC YRS.
ACADEMIC YRS is different then actual time.
Must I complete my studies in at least 16 months or 2 years?
You can finish it either in 16 months of 2 yrs or 3 yrs. But not less then 16 months.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid,
Now I get it. Thank you so much for your clarification!
Regards,
Flo
Hi, lovely blog!
Would be delighted to get your feedback on some complex issues below.
- Completed undergraduate degree (Bachelors of Business and Commerce - Major in Marketing & Management) from Monash University.
- Course duration is 3 years.
- Spent 1.5 years studying in Malaysia and the remaining 1.5 years in Australia (Melbourne, suburb : Berwick).
- date of study in Australia : mid 2005 untill end of 2006 (1.5years in total or 3 semesters)
I left Australia immediately after completion of my study. At June 2008, I returned to Australia to do my Masters of Business Administration at RMIT. The course runs for 1 year and it is trimester based. I have completed the first semester and is currently doing my second semester. From here, I would like to know my chances to apply for a TR or a PR. And below are the issues that's been surfacing :
1) The 2 year study rule. My undergrad in Australia gives me 1.5 years. My current MBA, 1 years. Total will be 2.5 years. Question : Do I satisfy he study rule given the fact tha I have not continued my studies consecutively?
2) Eligibility Requirements (Australian Qualiications) - DIAC website mentions to qualify for points under Masters Degree, quote below:
You have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you:
met the requirements for award of a masters degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:
of at least one (1) year
undertaken while you were present in Australia.
and
met the requirements for award of an undergraduate degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:
of at least one (1) year
undertaken while you were present in Australia.
Source link : < http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-qualification-aust.htm >
Question : With my previous undergrad and future MBA study, I will total up to 2.5 years of study in Australia. The quote above basically states I do NOT qualify for points unless I have 3 years of study in total. Is this true? (and also the issue on consecutive study)
Looking forward to hear from you!
Regards,
- Juls
@Jul
You are confusing pre-requisites of applying for a 885 visa with bonus points awarded for a 885 visa.
Do I satisfy he study rule given the fact tha I have not continued my studies consecutively?
Yes, you satisfy the two yr study rule. It doesnt matter whether the study was done consecutively or not.
You need to have studied for Australia for at least 2 academic yrs, finished what you were studying and then nominate a profession which is closely related to what you studied.
Eligibility Requirements (Australian Qualiications) - DIAC website mentions to qualify for points under Masters Degree, quote below:
You have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you have undertaken study for a period totalling at least three (3) years, during which you:
met the requirements for award of a masters degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:
of at least one (1) year
undertaken while you were present in Australia.
and
met the requirements for award of an undergraduate degree by an Australian educational institution as a result of course study:
of at least one (1) year
undertaken while you were present in Australia.
Source link : < http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/885/eligibility-qualification-aust.htm >
Question : With my previous undergrad and future MBA study, I will total up to 2.5 years of study in Australia. The quote above basically states I do NOT qualify for points unless I have 3 years of study in total. Is this true? (and also the issue on consecutive study)
All of that is getting bonus points for Australian qualifications.
If you have just studied for 2 yrs then you only get 5 points.
You have studied for 1.5 yrs in an undergraduate degree
AND
You have studied for 1 yrs in an postgraduate degree.
In total you will end up studying 2.5 yrs.
Since all your study is less then 3 yrs, you will get 5 points.
If you can study for at least 6 months more, you can get 15 points.
Question : With my previous undergrad and future MBA study, I will total up to 2.5 years of study in Australia. The quote above basically states I do NOT qualify for points unless I have 3 years of study in total. Is this true? (and also the issue on consecutive study)
Yes you do not qualify for 15 points. But you do qualify for 5 points.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Dear Junaid,
I am a bachelor degree graduate in business administration in my home country(Philippines... now Im studying IT (Website Designing)Advance Diploma (2.3 yrs)here in Australia. I just want to know If after my 2 yrs study in IT am I qualified to apply for TR Or PR?Your answer regarding my question is my pleasure. Thanks so much.
Regards,
Chel
@Chel
Yes, after you have studied in a course, for which the official duration is at least 92 weeks, you will be eligible to apply for PR.
Whether you get it or not depends upon how many points you score.
Kind Regards
Junaid
HI Junaid
I am looking for 2 years graphic desin course i.e masters(course work ) in sydney...mostly universities have 1.5 year course.unis like UTS,UNSW and university of sydney all ahve 1.5 year course....what should i do further after completion of 1.5 course so that i complete 2 year rule...do i have to do diploma or another 1 year degre...
after doing master of graphic design what profession i can take on MODL or SOl
Thanks
Abhishek
@Abhishek
what should i do further after completion of 1.5 course so that i complete 2 year rule...do i have to do diploma or another 1 year degre...
You need to
1. Enroll in another diploma/degree to complete 2 years of education.
2. The new diploma degree you enroll in should be closely related to your previous degree as well your nominated profession.
3. The new as well as the old diploma/degree should be CRICOS certified.
after doing master of graphic design what profession i can take on MODL or SOl
You need to nominate a profession which is closely related to the graphic design profession.
You can either nominate
Graphic Designer 2533-13 which is a 50 point occupation
OR
Computing Professionals – (nec) 2231-79 which is a 60 point profession.
I would suggest nominating the 60 point profession.
However, I cannot guarantee you that whether ACS will give you a positive skills assessment for the 2231-79 profession after a graphic design degree.
If ACS refuses to give you a positive skill assessment for 2231-79 based on your graphic design degree, then your option would be to nominate the 50 point profession.
As a suggestion I would say to do a degree which is listed on the ACS website.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid i hope you are doing good, first thing first, you are doing a wonderful job by helping everyone, keep doing the good job, May god give u all the happiness and success.
Junaid I wanted to know that i have done masters in travel and tourism in Australia and the course duration was for a year, then i went back to my home country for 6 months and came back to Australia and currently i am doing masters in hotel management and the course as far as i know are interrelated and the duration was 2 years which has been decreased by 3 months by the hotel school authority, so i want to know can i apply for PR by clubing both of my master degrees which i think are interrelated and is there a problem for the 6 months gap between 2 courses, am i still eligible to apply for PR after finishing the second masters, please help me i am really worried and confused.
I hope to see your reply soon.
Thanks and have a good one.
Taru.
@Taru
Check the length of the courses on the CRICOS website and let me know what the total duration is according to the CIRCOS website.
cricos.dest.gov.au
Having a 6 months break does not matter.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hello junaid,i am an overseas trained dentist waiting to qualify as dentist in australia.
In Australia I have completed, Masters of public health,1 year course in 2 years duration(completion dec 2007). Now after a gap of 14 months(i joined diploma in bussiness in between) i want to do continuation of Public health(total 8 subjects) which is Population health(total 12 subjects),92 weeks,2year masters.The uni is giving exemptions for 8 subjects of public health ,so only 4 more to finish for population health.
Now my question is, can i be able to apply for PR after i finish this 4 more subjects on basis of 2years of masters,92 weeks program?
waiting for your reply.
Thank you.
@ Taru,
I also took a break in my study when I finished one course and I came back after 6 months to do another course. I recently got my PR without any trouble. The rule doesn't say that the course should be continuous, all it says is the course or related courses should total up to 2 years of academic study...
Cheers
Himanshu
@^^
Just use the formula given at the following link to calculate the amount of time you have studied.
If the amount of time is more then 92 weeks then you are eligible for PR. The official durations of the courses in weeks can be found on the CRICOS website.
http://study-n-australia.blogspot.com/2008/10/formula-for-calculating-two-year-study.html
Also make sure that all the studies you under took towards the two year period are inter related to each other as well as the profession you nominate on the SOL.
Kind Regards
Junaid
@Himanshu and Taru
Thanks for the input Himanshu.
As I mentioned earlier, you can study continuously in one go or study at different periods. As long as your study equals 92 weeks then you fulfill the two year rule.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi Junaid, i hope you doing good,
thanks heaps for answering my question and thanks to Himanshu too, well here i have mentioned the details of the masters which i have done and doing,
I am currently pursuing this degree.
1:- Course Name: Masters of Hotel Management
CRICOS Course Code: 058804G
Dual Qualification: No
Field Of Education - 1st Qualification
Broad Field: 08 - Management and Commerce
Narrow Field: 0803 - Business and Management
Detailed Field: 080319 - Hospitality Management
Course Level: Masters Degree (Coursework)
Foundation Studies: No
Work Component: Yes
Work Component Hours/Week: 40
Work Component Weeks: 20
Work Component Total Hours: 800
Course Language: English
Duration (Weeks): 80
And i am done with this masters,
2:- Course Name: Master of Tourism (Coursework)
CRICOS Course Code: 016104E
Dual Qualification: No
Field Of Education - 1st Qualification
Broad Field: 08 - Management and Commerce
Narrow Field: 0807 - Tourism
Detailed Field: 080701 - Tourism
Course Level: Masters Degree (Coursework)
Foundation Studies: No
Work Component: No
Course Language: English
Duration (Weeks): 78
So now the question is can i club these two masters degrees together and can i apply for PR after finishing the course, please reply,
Thanks again and have a good one,
Cheers.
Tarang.
@Taru
Yes you can club these two degrees together.
However, my question is how many exemptions you will take in both the degrees or just one degree.
Every time you take an exemption for a subject, that reduces your time studied by around 6 weeks.
So if you dont take any exemptions or just take exemptions which do not deduct your time so that it becomes less then 92 weeks then its ok.
But if your total time studied is less then 92 weeks, you will not be eligible to apply for PR.
Use the formula given to calculate the two yr study period.
Kind Regards
Junaid
Hi,
Currently i am studying for Masters in Engineering (CRICOS code 0240637) of duration 104 weeks/2 yrs. Now i hav enrolled for 3 subjects in 1st semester.Some one told that the rule of 2yrs is getting changed.We need to do 4subjects/sem * 4 = 16 subjects for considering it as a2 yr study while applying for PR. Are you aware of any changes like that. Plz giv me a quock reply..
thnks in advance
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